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Author Topic: Sunday was hot, humid and a sad day for me...  (Read 1955 times)
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« on: May 23, 2017, 10:23:03 pm »

My dogs had not been to the woods in almost 2 months due to a big job I was on...finally went Sunday morning...it was very hot and humid and no breeze...normally the dogs will strike pretty quick but it was so dry the hogs were close to water and way to the back...the dogs hunted hard and it didn't take long for them to get hot...we loaded one up and about that time the other two dogs struck a track and moved it for at least two miles back towards the creek...we tracked and followed these two dogs until we heard them open now and then...turned the the 3  dogs out to them and they split up...we followed to the back end of the lease and waited...I had 2 dogs each running their own hogs... and three dogs rolled out together back towards the front...my two friends said they would go to those dogs...will finish story tomorrow...
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2017, 07:20:09 pm »

my grandson and I stayed and watched the 2 dogs running their hogs...they would bay up and then break bay...the other three dogs were out of hearing and so our friends went to the three dogs...I had it in my mind to call the dogs off on account they were out of shape but they got their second wind and weren't coming off...this was going on for an hour or so...the younger dog came within hearing distance so I called him off and had to persuade him a little with the Garmin and he shows up and we load him up...

 I saw earlier where the three dogs were treed and I was thinking my friends caught them up...about 30 minutes later they moved and treed again...my thought was that they moved to a breezy place with the dogs...I saw where the other dog started running his hog towards the other dogs so we head that way along the creek side...we went about 3/4 mile when we see one of the three dogs come out and meet us and he was hot...he wears a vest...about that time the dog that was running alone shows up and he is hot...he also has to wear a vest...I quickly realized the 3 dogs had had one caught because they were nowhere close to our friends...I looked at the garmin and 2 dogs were still showing treed about 400 yards west of the creek...We leashed a dog and headed to the dogs as quickly as possible...the leashed dog was hot but we might need him for a short bit if it is a big boar...when we got there one dog was laying down by a dead pig about 70 pounds or so and one of my up and coming 2 year old dog was laying on his side and couldn't get up...he was over heated...I took off his vest and collars and fanned him and talked to him...I decided the best thing to do was to go back to the wheelers and unload our gear and come back quickly with some water...by the time we made it back he had passed away...

If we had known the dogs had one caught instead of being tied up in the shade like I had thought he would still been alive...hind sight is 20 20...more than likely they caught and killed one and then rolled out about 150 yards and caught and killed this one...and that was too much exertion in the high heat on this past Sunday...the creek turned out to be dry of water so that did not help matters any...

This pup was doing very well and at one time I had thought about getting rid of him as a young pup because he was going to be bigger than I liked...but at a young age he showed me he had a mouth like I never heard before when baying and a style of bay I really liked...he would get down on his front and get right up in their face with a continuos barking that would make anyone proud...I knew he was going to be very gritty by the way he acted on a bayed hog...he proved he was worthy of a running vest the first time he came in contact with a big boar...he lived over it but I had to doctor him up hence the vest became a necessity for him...he had a great personality along with his hunting ability and he became one of my favorites in my yard...

I like my dogs to be fierce on a hog...but the downside can be over heating from too much exhertion when fighting a hog if one does not show up right away to help...seems the younger dogs tend to be worse about it...

once a dog earns his right to live at my house then he is like family...so it is hard when losing one...
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2017, 09:47:49 pm »

Damn reuben i sure gate to hear that.

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2017, 09:47:59 pm »

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2017, 11:23:55 pm »

Sorry to hear about your pup Reuben if you decide you want to raise another litter out of that gyp let me know
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2017, 01:55:38 am »

Damn sorry to hear about your loss Reuben


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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2017, 07:00:42 am »

I'm sure sorry to hear it Reuben. I've seen more dogs overheat on these warm muggy mornings in the spring than I have in the heat of the summer.
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2017, 08:03:16 am »

Well that sucks. Got to watch the humidity it's more deadly then the temp.


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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2017, 08:37:36 am »

Hate to hear that for yall man,,,  the older I get the more I hate the summers...
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2017, 08:42:46 am »

Hate to hear it Rueban. I know how much you were counting on this cross.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2017, 02:46:42 pm »

you 'all, thanks for the kind words...

Cajun, yep, I spent some time and money on getting these pups going...all the pups have turned out in making hog dogs and I still have 2 in my back yard and the one I will use to breed my next litter is doing well...also have access to one of the brothers if needed...

Josh...thanks for offering the Plott female to get more pups if needed...but I have done quite a bit of thinking and looking for a line of mt curs that are of the same time I once had which is hard to do nowadays on account of most look like oversized fiest dogs that more often than not are short range dogs...this old man has the 45-50 pound females and 55-60 pound males...I will be driving to his place and looking over what he has and I am hoping to find what I have been looking for in the mt cur world...one thing about it the pup I have now should make a good cross on that mt cur if I decide on getting a female from there...

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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2017, 04:29:12 pm »

Good luck I hope ever thing works out there sorry to here about the pup
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2017, 05:02:35 am »

Hate to hear that sounds like they were doing good and making dogs

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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2017, 11:01:21 am »

Dang, that leaves a big hole when you keep a small yard of dogs. Sorry to hear that.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2017, 02:46:20 pm »

Ruben who is the guy with the mnt curs I would be interested in them for future endeavors. As long as the are rough and big hearted.


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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2017, 09:51:54 pm »

Wayout...yep...it is a big hole...he was showing me he would put enough teeth on one to stop one fairly quick which is what I am looking for in a hog dog...down to five males and only 2 I would breed when the time is right...the plan is to breed a third generation male out of my yard to a good line of Mt cur and gravitate back towards the mt cur if they are what I hope them to be...

JP...I will get you the info on these dogs...my hope is when I lay eyes on them I will like them...the good thing is they are only about 5 hours from me and about the same for you...Maybe less...I will pm you with the info...
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2017, 10:33:08 pm »

Reuben I truly hate to hear this, but I must ask why your running vest on them?
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2017, 12:37:00 pm »

You can run vest on rough dogs in the heat but you best be on top of them and have water on your person to give out or know the lay out and the water holes


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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2017, 06:42:34 pm »

Goose...it is exactly how JP described it is why and how I do it...I feel very comfortable running vests on the rough strike dogs...the vest have saved them from injury or just keeping injury to a minimum...I see the vest as giving enough protection that a minor puncture will remind the dog to protect itself from the bad end of the hog...but getting there quick is important in keeping the dogs from overheating to the point of losing one to the heat...

in this case I made the mistake of thinking my two hunting buddies had caught the dogs when they showed treed...about 20 or 30 minutes later they again showed treed about 150 yards further and were treed almost an hour total...young dogs tend to fight real hard trying to kill a hog...I believe that killing the second hog was what caused the pup to overheat to the point of no return...had I known they had one caught we would have been there pretty quick...and then we could of caught the second hog without a serious problem...

once upon a time my stomach would be in knots every time I turned out my mt curs because of  worry...about injury, running too far, and even heat stress...did not run vests back then...

Now with the Garmin Alpha and the running vests I am pretty much relaxed more often than not...I do not regret the vests...I have been using them on my rough dogs now for about three years and this is my first loss to the heat...
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2017, 03:53:05 pm »

I understand and no way is the right way or wrong way, I guess I just can't wrap my head around the thought of running a vest on a bay dog, just not my style, this is just my opinion but I believe a vest hinders them from learning which end of the hog to stay away from because it keeps the dog from getting his tail whipped and learning early on and then on top of having to worrying about the heat, I guess I'd rather take a chance of getting a dog killed for being to rough because it's on his own accord and he has the opportunity to save himself where getting killed by over heating because he has a vest on that wasn't put on by him and he has no way of getting away from the heat, please do t take this as kicking a man when he's down or being a smart ass, but this the is the very reason I can't figure out the whole vest on a bay dog thing...
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