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More people are bit by cocker spaniel then pits just the pits do more damage
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I am afraid the proliferation of these Malinowski may overtake the APBT soon. So many people getting them and they need a hands on trainer who knows what they are doing.
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Those dogs are nuts for sure. I did a kitchen remodel for a cop that a few of them you didn't want to step into that house with out notice
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tmatt
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Well, I'm just a newbie to these dogs but I am going to give my 2 cents... Way Out, you are right about there being some sort of sign most of the time. That however is not the case all the time. I have had Bulldogs that were multi time winners that were calm and collected around other dogs and wouldn't show the slightest sign of aggression towards them unless you stepped over them or put them in a box then it was a different story. I had a 32 lb female that would scream her head off digging and screaming to get to another dog in the box but she would let another dog run up to her and she would play with it until you dropped her collar. I had a male that was similar to her as well. I had a male that was a 2Xer that I caught hogs with and he wouldn't touch another dog in my he woods. No matter what I have never been one to allow any of my Bulldogs to run loose with any other dogs... PERIOD!! The rule I live by with these dogs and the dog aggression issue is "it's not if, it's when and how bad is it going to be when it happens". I don't allow my kids to be alone with any dogs, regardless of breed. The way I see it is if the dog has teeth it can and will bite given the right circumstances. I have raised my kids around these dogs and I have never worried about one of them biting them but I also never put them in that situation. The advice given above is as good as it gets... Get a catchdog from a catchdog line of that is what you are wanting to use it for. Gamedogs were/are bred for a purpose and that goes back a long time...
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Gary...that is exactly why I treat them like a loaded gun...once they turn on something is going to die...I have the highest respect for the breed...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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I am afraid the proliferation of these Malinowski may overtake the APBT soon. So many people getting them and they need a hands on trainer who knows what they are doing.
I have owned 2 Malinois, way more dangerous than any pit/bulldog IMO (of coarse 90% generality) especially to humans. I appreciate the posts lots of good info. IMO raising a bulldog on a chain is no different than anywhere else Ive had plenty of happy go lucky bull dogs on a chain, exception being its easier to get a great or good handle on a dog that is around you more, but nothing to do with aggression from years of keeping them loose or in kennels or chains. I have had some bull dogs that were very friendly but when other dogs fight or trash it does turn them on often, and as mentioned above even if their the least likely dog to fight or bight once they do they are hell to stop ... That said I do let mine be around my kids etc and have never had a problem, they were bred to fight dogs not kids and mine were loving and protective of my kids if raised around them, very tolerant as well to toddlers abusing them. Never can be to careful though with our children so to each their own, never trust any animal IMO, but Id trust my kids with my bulldogs more than I would my horse. Real Game bred pits are harder to socialize with dogs than AB's, Dogos, or avg pits, thats a fact but it can be done and ive seen some great game bred pit cds, but they only rode in the dog box with the opposite sex and were not fed together etc... not worth the extra work IMO but not that hard either if nurtured from a pup properly, to hell with breaking a started agro 1. Same as some good BMC's Ive owned though. And to anyone who thinks a real aggressive dog shows signs of aggression first, let me educate you: Does your cd bark, raise its tail and hair stand up on its back when it catches a pig? NO! it runs in quietly and handles business. Same thing at a dog fight, the pits do not growl, bark, or raise hair or tail, their quiet and are there to fight not bark or BLUFF! All of that is for show and pecking order, real killers dont show signals they just act - just like our catch dogs. |
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I am afraid the proliferation of these Malinowski may overtake the APBT soon. So many people getting them and they need a hands on trainer who knows what they are doing.
I have owned 2 Malinois, way more dangerous than any pit/bulldog IMO (of coarse 90% generality) especially to humans. I appreciate the posts lots of good info. IMO raising a bulldog on a chain is no different than anywhere else Ive had plenty of happy go lucky bull dogs on a chain, exception being its easier to get a great or good handle on a dog that is around you more, but nothing to do with aggression from years of keeping them loose or in kennels or chains. I have had some bull dogs that were very friendly but when other dogs fight or trash it does turn them on often, and as mentioned above even if their the least likely dog to fight or bight once they do they are hell to stop ... That said I do let mine be around my kids etc and have never had a problem, they were bred to fight dogs not kids and mine were loving and protective of my kids if raised around them, very tolerant as well to toddlers abusing them. Never can be to careful though with our children so to each their own, never trust any animal IMO, but Id trust my kids with my bulldogs more than I would my horse. Real Game bred pits are harder to socialize with dogs than AB's, Dogos, or avg pits, that a fact but it can be done and ive seen some great game bred pit cds, but they only rode in the dog box with the opposite sex and were not fed together etc... not worth the extra work IMO but not that hard either if nurtured from a pup properly, to hell with breaking a started agro 1. Same as some good BMC's Ive owned though. And to anyone who thinks a real aggressive dog shows signs of aggression first, let me educate you: Does your cd bark, raise its tail and hair stand up on its back when it catches a pig? NO! it runs in quietly and handles business. Same thing at a dog fight, the pits do not growl, bark, or raise hair or tail, their quiet and are there to fight not bark or BLUFF! All of that is for show and pecking order, real killers dont show signals they just act - just like our catch dogs. Good post... I have owned a Dutch Shepherd and he was by far more likely to bite a person than any bulldog I have owned or been around (including the junk blue dogs)... I have never had to but if one of my Bulldogs were to run in with hair raised and growling they would no longer be a part of the gene pool. You are exactly right, they aren't there to bluff, they are there to take care of business |
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I've had pits and never trusted them to the foolest. Mine are crossed up now walker ,cat Mnt cur. My pure walker has always been growly but never concerned me to much ,well I have go in heat and he tried getting after me yesterday for yelling at him to shut up . He don't take correcting very well ,you have to leash am up before. I'm over it he's gone culled today when I get home. What I'm getting at is it's all dogs every breed ,it's just when it comes out.
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there are signals which will tell us about what we need to watch for...if an APBT is on his chain and you come by with a weed eater or lawnmower and the dog goes wild wanting to catch or shut off the noise...and one day a family friend comes around with his family and the 3 year old throws a shrieking tantrum around this dog...
or a 5 month old game bred pup gets excited when some dogs are rough housing and this pup wants to get in the ruckus...when reading the pup you will know right then and there that this pup will fire off if given the chance...so you just know this pup can not be turned out with the other dogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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That's most any breed. The only difference is the power and ferociousness is the difference. Most dogs will stop after a bit or a roughing up a pit will not or a good one won't lol
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tmatt
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That's most any breed. The only difference is the power and ferociousness is the difference. Most dogs will stop after a bit or a roughing up a pit will not or a good one won't lol
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You got that right!! A good one won't... There are so many dogs out there that are being called game bred based solely on looks that it is pitiful. Most of the people that talk about "gamebred" pit bulls have no clue what a gamebred dog is or how they should act. They are just going by what they heard from a friend that had an uncle that had a friend that's cousin's buddy's dad raised and used gamebred dogs. |
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That's most any breed. The only difference is the power and ferociousness is the difference. Most dogs will stop after a bit or a roughing up a pit will not or a good one won't lol
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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I agree 100% Tmatt, the people biting game dogs are rare.
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