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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2018, 08:06:18 pm »

   Beating things to achieve results is ok if you like beating things.

 
 maybe so ...but we were talking about having to get  kinda ruff on some  dogs to get them to get out where they need to be  and  you posted  that  kind  of post ...kinda hard  for me to take  it any  other  way ...... but  if you didn't  mean it that way  its  all good ...
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2018, 09:07:25 pm »

the 2 most important things ive learned over the years messing with my pups is #1) SLOW DOWN, if you are not sure that you are going slow enough then slow down some more. You can learn ALOT about your animals and the woods in general by dropping it in granny gear and letting things happen naturally, no need to blast all over the lease running the dogs ragged. #2) have fun, not all pups are going to be fire on day one, some take time (how much time depends on how much patience you have). I personally do things alot different than I used to years ago, I will admit that my dogs now are overall a better caliber of dog than they were 8-10 years ago and because of that I have changed the way I raise and mess with them. 10years ago I would show em multiple pigs as they grew up, sometimes it worked great and others it didnt work at all, eventually I quit showing them hogs at the house all together and simply waited til I felt they could handle themselves in the woods then toted em with the grown dogs and turn them to bays until they figured it out, now days i will still do that here and there but not near as often as I did back then. Im not looking for the decent pups out of my litters, im looking for what I feel is the most natural based off different things that I see, one thing that I do that has helped me quite a bit is that when I start toting pups to the woods I generally drop 2 or 3 at a time and let them go be puppies (7-9mths), I may sit in one spot for an hour before they come back or it may be 10 minutes but when they come back I dont pick them up immediately, I will give em another 5-10mins to get bored and leave again and 9 times out of 10 if i just ignore them they will disappear again pretty quick. When I am doing this I go to the woods with zero expectations other than to enjoy myself and let them learn things at their own pace. the most natural out of each litter will quickly begin to stick out amongst their peers, the single most important thing I look for is pups with "go" the natural drive and want to.....they dont have to have a clue what the hell they are doing, they just have to have the want to too do it. The single hardest aspect of messing with these dogs is finding ones that naturally want to go hunting, once you find em that have that natural "go" the rest is easy as it gets, the trashier the better for me. I can teach a puppy what I want him to hunt IF he naturally wants to go in the first place, its hard to teach em much if they arent interested in going in the first place. a perfect example of this is something that happened to me with my top prospect a few months ago, this was a 6.5mth old pup that i had brought to the woods a 1/2 dozen times before....... 2 buddies and myself were easing down a high grassy road with low lying tallow thickets on both sides, as we got towards the end of the trail a BIG buck jumped out not 30' in front of my pup and it was game on lol. my buddies both looked at me and said "what are you gonna do now" to which I replied not a damn thing, we are gonna sit here and drink a couple and see just what he is made of, an hour later we pulled up to that pup over over 2/3's a mile away wearing a 40lb shoat out by himself............ my point is that as long as you have pups with the natural want to then the rest is easy and all of the extras that I used to do trying to work them was just that....extras.

im not saying its the right way by any means because Lord knows there are as many different ways to go about training dogs as there are dog breeds in the world and what works for me may not work for you, ya just got to figure out what works for you and follow the plan, if things change then adapt and keep on rolling.


regarding the slowing down statement, I generally dont ride around much looking for tracks or sign, 1/2 the time i turn a pair loose from the truck before I even unload my buggy then get all my stuff together and head to em once im ready. A perfect example of where slowing down payed off for me, me and a buddy decided to make a late night run because when we were hunting in the mornings we were coming across multiple sets of big tracks throughout the lease but they were always from the night before and our dogs simply dont have that cold a nose so we decided to change it up on the hogs and started hittin the woods at 11-12 at night........ anyhow we did this one night a had caught a couple sows but nothing worth talkin about, it was 4:30ish in the morning and we were all tired, dogs included so we decided to call it good, we were 3/4 a mile from the truck so I said to hell with it told my buddy hell lets just push em to the truck.... we dropped em and started easing that way, about 400yds from the truck 3 of the 4 dogs we had started getting piggy and they all pulled right off of the road so we shut down and waited, a gyp of mine was the only one that didn't go with em and she was kinda screwin around by us not doing much but I ignored her and let her do her thing, about 20 minutes goes by and I realize she is gone, grabbed the garmin and she had gone 700yds the opposite direction of the other dogs through a young pine thicket STRAIGHT to a feeder I had set up, she made 4 circles around the feeder then rolled due north and bayed up solo on a stud of a boar hog (ive hunted those woods for over 25yrs, not all 25 with dogs but still) he ended up being the biggest boar hog Ive ever laid eyes on with dogs or through a scope in those woods. had I picked her up when she was "screwin around" we would have never laid eyes on that hog, instead we ended up catching a stud of a boar and got to watch the dogs work him for over an hour in a blowdown in the middle of a flooded creek.


SORRY FOR THE RAMBLING LOL, I was bored at work. been a while since I have visited this site, hope everyone is doing well.

Justin...you said what I would of said...I will repeat some of what you said...training is very easy...just doing the right things at the right time in most situations...

Pups...I can’t say it enough...select for natural ability...natural ability means watching and observing and reading what going through the pups mind and demeanor...setting up testing situations for nose, trailing and winding...and observe and note...take the pups to the woods and turn them loose at a good spot and watch and observe...sometimes all the pups will hit the woods running the first time out if they are bred to do that...that tells me all will pack up and go one day...but we must look deeper and see who is leading the pack of pups...he will grow up doing it that way all his working life...after a couple of outings to verify this pup leave this leader at home and see who steps up on the next outings...its about natural ability...not necessarily the best at it but born with the natural inclination to do it right...only breed those kind and that will beget more of the same...with those kind very little training is  required...just do the right things at the right time and they will progress by leaps and bounds...those kind of pups excite me...

I think this way because I also look towards the next generation when I look at the pups of today...

If I only wanted to buy a pup now and they I would spend a little time with it in training...
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2018, 12:02:46 am »

I hardly ever have to put a hand on my dogs either they do me proud most days I try to treat mine right the dog that I began the discussion with is an oddity and I posted it because I figure I could learn from opinions and others could too he was on the cull list he started off real good and then fell off most dog I have seen that started like him went on to make solid dogs in my opinion he was old enough to be doing it on his own. I guess what im trying to say is before we culled him we were willing to try other stuff like a shock collar. I dont think most people here have a problem tuning one up but I wouldn't ever beat on a dog for fun or over do a tuning up I got one gyp I like alot and I have never as much as yelled at and when she comes in she belly crawls to me like I have tortured her I know this dog most likely would be ruined by getting hard on her on the other hand I have seen some dogs you have to be harder on to keep them in line I got a bull dog that kind of thick I have to be harder on him but I like hearing everyone's advise and opinions each dogs different .
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2018, 10:38:41 am »

the 2 most important things ive learned over the years messing with my pups is #1) SLOW DOWN, if you are not sure that you are going slow enough then slow down some more. You can learn ALOT about your animals and the woods in general by dropping it in granny gear and letting things happen naturally, no need to blast all over the lease running the dogs ragged. #2) have fun, not all pups are going to be fire on day one, some take time (how much time depends on how much patience you have). I personally do things alot different than I used to years ago, I will admit that my dogs now are overall a better caliber of dog than they were 8-10 years ago and because of that I have changed the way I raise and mess with them. 10years ago I would show em multiple pigs as they grew up, sometimes it worked great and others it didnt work at all, eventually I quit showing them hogs at the house all together and simply waited til I felt they could handle themselves in the woods then toted em with the grown dogs and turn them to bays until they figured it out, now days i will still do that here and there but not near as often as I did back then. Im not looking for the decent pups out of my litters, im looking for what I feel is the most natural based off different things that I see, one thing that I do that has helped me quite a bit is that when I start toting pups to the woods I generally drop 2 or 3 at a time and let them go be puppies (7-9mths), I may sit in one spot for an hour before they come back or it may be 10 minutes but when they come back I dont pick them up immediately, I will give em another 5-10mins to get bored and leave again and 9 times out of 10 if i just ignore them they will disappear again pretty quick. When I am doing this I go to the woods with zero expectations other than to enjoy myself and let them learn things at their own pace. the most natural out of each litter will quickly begin to stick out amongst their peers, the single most important thing I look for is pups with "go" the natural drive and want to.....they dont have to have a clue what the hell they are doing, they just have to have the want to too do it. The single hardest aspect of messing with these dogs is finding ones that naturally want to go hunting, once you find em that have that natural "go" the rest is easy as it gets, the trashier the better for me. I can teach a puppy what I want him to hunt IF he naturally wants to go in the first place, its hard to teach em much if they arent interested in going in the first place. a perfect example of this is something that happened to me with my top prospect a few months ago, this was a 6.5mth old pup that i had brought to the woods a 1/2 dozen times before....... 2 buddies and myself were easing down a high grassy road with low lying tallow thickets on both sides, as we got towards the end of the trail a BIG buck jumped out not 30' in front of my pup and it was game on lol. my buddies both looked at me and said "what are you gonna do now" to which I replied not a damn thing, we are gonna sit here and drink a couple and see just what he is made of, an hour later we pulled up to that pup over over 2/3's a mile away wearing a 40lb shoat out by himself............ my point is that as long as you have pups with the natural want to then the rest is easy and all of the extras that I used to do trying to work them was just that....extras.

im not saying its the right way by any means because Lord knows there are as many different ways to go about training dogs as there are dog breeds in the world and what works for me may not work for you, ya just got to figure out what works for you and follow the plan, if things change then adapt and keep on rolling.


regarding the slowing down statement, I generally dont ride around much looking for tracks or sign, 1/2 the time i turn a pair loose from the truck before I even unload my buggy then get all my stuff together and head to em once im ready. A perfect example of where slowing down payed off for me, me and a buddy decided to make a late night run because when we were hunting in the mornings we were coming across multiple sets of big tracks throughout the lease but they were always from the night before and our dogs simply dont have that cold a nose so we decided to change it up on the hogs and started hittin the woods at 11-12 at night........ anyhow we did this one night a had caught a couple sows but nothing worth talkin about, it was 4:30ish in the morning and we were all tired, dogs included so we decided to call it good, we were 3/4 a mile from the truck so I said to hell with it told my buddy hell lets just push em to the truck.... we dropped em and started easing that way, about 400yds from the truck 3 of the 4 dogs we had started getting piggy and they all pulled right off of the road so we shut down and waited, a gyp of mine was the only one that didn't go with em and she was kinda screwin around by us not doing much but I ignored her and let her do her thing, about 20 minutes goes by and I realize she is gone, grabbed the garmin and she had gone 700yds the opposite direction of the other dogs through a young pine thicket STRAIGHT to a feeder I had set up, she made 4 circles around the feeder then rolled due north and bayed up solo on a stud of a boar hog (ive hunted those woods for over 25yrs, not all 25 with dogs but still) he ended up being the biggest boar hog Ive ever laid eyes on with dogs or through a scope in those woods. had I picked her up when she was "screwin around" we would have never laid eyes on that hog, instead we ended up catching a stud of a boar and got to watch the dogs work him for over an hour in a blowdown in the middle of a flooded creek.


SORRY FOR THE RAMBLING LOL, I was bored at work. been a while since I have visited this site, hope everyone is doing well.


We’re dang near in the exact same wavelength on this, I learned some time ago that Mother Nature has a way better way to show me the naturals than I ever did evaluating and assessing them and picking what I thought was best, now a days they are allowed to be pups until it looks like they’re mentally mature and taking them riding in the box when I go somewhere and walks through the woods doing their own thing at their own pace all while learning what the world around them is, I’ve gained an entire new meaning to satisfaction....


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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2018, 10:23:09 pm »

all i'm gonna say  is  ya'll over  think this stuff  to much .....  start with bloodline thats where consistancy comes  from .....besides that either  he or she  just progresses on his  or  her  own with hunting experience .....if not you gotta  be a trainer  ......  thats it  its simple ......  watch lab trainers force  train dogs that are hard or bird hunters  they'll burn one up .... but they are trainers  ........ no knocking any ones  ways  it each  to his  own  but  its not that big  of a  deal  for  me ...   
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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2018, 08:46:21 am »

all i'm gonna say  is  ya'll over  think this stuff  to much .....  start with bloodline thats where consistancy comes  from .....besides that either  he or she  just progresses on his  or  her  own with hunting experience .....if not you gotta  be a trainer  ......  thats it  its simple ......  watch lab trainers force  train dogs that are hard or bird hunters  they'll burn one up .... but they are trainers  ........ no knocking any ones  ways  it each  to his  own  but  its not that big  of a  deal  for  me ... 

I’m not knocking you a bit Larry, I’ll be the first to admit I’ll get heavy handed when needed but it’s mainly for discipline and handling issues, I’m no where near bad about as I used to be and that’s mostly because of the dogs I’m raising now don’t really need it much and it takes a different  approach with them, I spend enough time with mine that they learn voice commands and couple that with the tone and they handle pretty decent,  now there are a few light whoopings involved at first until they recognize the commands...


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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2018, 10:17:42 am »

When you resort to beating a dog....at that very point...the dog beat you!
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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2018, 11:56:37 am »

Cajun1...you are right...when we do the right things at the right time it minimizes discipline issues...

Hunting the dogs...just like Justin said...we shouldn’t get in a hurry to hunt the dogs...we take our time and make the plan of entrance...cast the dogs and let them set the pace...move as needed...stop and let them work until they are satisfied and then move as needed...but we are the leaders of the pack...sometimes we can analyze the situation and steer the dogs in the right direction to put them on hogs...hunting this way makes for better dogs...I like a dog that does a good job of looking before they are ready to move on...

When I said let the dogs set the pace i mean it this way...the dogs set the pace for their style of hunting...when we allow the dogs to set the pace...the dogs will become better hunting dogs...
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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2018, 11:57:04 pm »

who has said anything about beating a dog just to beat a dog .... i've said i'll get ruff as  i need  too ...... i get results in breeding and training dogs fact ....  we have 6 finished dogs here any dog will go find bay hogs day after day by themseleves and range  out several hundred yards  to find  sign ....i sold 3 last year  for 7 grand  young dogs ....my son sold one for 6 grand finished the boy that hunts  with me sold one  for  4  grand and  my son got offeredabout 2  months ago 7 grand and the man already has  5  parkerdogs and said  he'd  come up on the price ........ and  i have seen times  on some  of em we have  had  to  get  on em perty hard ....thats  just since  last  year ....and  i already have  some young dogs finding hogs  i could sell now  if  i wanted  too ..... ya'll can have  it ......   about  a handful on here has raised and  trained enuff dogs  to fill a toyota ...but  let  someone posts and man scientific evaluations start  and thats  fine  its  all conversation ........but  ain't none  of  you can tell me  how  to train hogdogs  ...... have a good   one fella's  ....... oh  one other  thing before  i go ...cajun   i hunted  hounds  for  years won the 92 state coon hunt with a  walker gyp and qualified for world hunts  coon and  squirrel .. hunted with orval stayed at his place ..i been around dogs a long time ... i know  hounds also if they ain't running with the other dogs  by  6  to 9  months  old  kill em most  people do  ....curdog  is a different breed  ........
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« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2018, 06:28:53 am »

Hey Larry. there are two Cajuns on this board. One is Cajun! from Fla. & the other is me, just Cajun. I have the Bayou Cajun Plotts & I have never commented on this post.
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« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2018, 08:19:39 am »

Everyone one on here has good points from time to time with the over thinkers to the just doers. And everyone in between. If it works for you and you feel good about what your doing keep on trucking. I don’t let what others say change what I do or think.


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« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2018, 09:35:33 am »

cajun (mike) ......i apologize for  getting  you  mixed with someone else .......  it  kinda  hit a nerve  with me  that some made comments  about beating dogs ....i'll stand  on ones  head  if i have  too .....  but anyway  again  sorry about me mixing you with someone else ....
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« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2018, 05:45:45 pm »

Handle handle handle handler, how you get the handle that's your choice. Best dogs I've had saved em  from Parvo....meaning built a bond ,if you can build a bond whoopings are rare . I spend a lot of one on one time and go from there. Kinda like choosing your friends ,you woudnt have one that's a crack head and what was said earlier,the right breeding helps a lot. You are only traing a dog to handle ,load quiet when need be,etc....your not traing em to hunt, if they got it then they got it if they don't well you know what. Just my opinion
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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2018, 08:51:29 am »

the 2 most important things ive learned over the years messing with my pups is #1) SLOW DOWN, if you are not sure that you are going slow enough then slow down some more. You can learn ALOT about your animals and the woods in general by dropping it in granny gear and letting things happen naturally, no need to blast all over the lease running the dogs ragged. #2) have fun, not all pups are going to be fire on day one, some take time (how much time depends on how much patience you have). I personally do things alot different than I used to years ago, I will admit that my dogs now are overall a better caliber of dog than they were 8-10 years ago and because of that I have changed the way I raise and mess with them. 10years ago I would show em multiple pigs as they grew up, sometimes it worked great and others it didnt work at all, eventually I quit showing them hogs at the house all together and simply waited til I felt they could handle themselves in the woods then toted em with the grown dogs and turn them to bays until they figured it out, now days i will still do that here and there but not near as often as I did back then. Im not looking for the decent pups out of my litters, im looking for what I feel is the most natural based off different things that I see, one thing that I do that has helped me quite a bit is that when I start toting pups to the woods I generally drop 2 or 3 at a time and let them go be puppies (7-9mths), I may sit in one spot for an hour before they come back or it may be 10 minutes but when they come back I dont pick them up immediately, I will give em another 5-10mins to get bored and leave again and 9 times out of 10 if i just ignore them they will disappear again pretty quick. When I am doing this I go to the woods with zero expectations other than to enjoy myself and let them learn things at their own pace. the most natural out of each litter will quickly begin to stick out amongst their peers, the single most important thing I look for is pups with "go" the natural drive and want to.....they dont have to have a clue what the hell they are doing, they just have to have the want to too do it. The single hardest aspect of messing with these dogs is finding ones that naturally want to go hunting, once you find em that have that natural "go" the rest is easy as it gets, the trashier the better for me. I can teach a puppy what I want him to hunt IF he naturally wants to go in the first place, its hard to teach em much if they arent interested in going in the first place. a perfect example of this is something that happened to me with my top prospect a few months ago, this was a 6.5mth old pup that i had brought to the woods a 1/2 dozen times before....... 2 buddies and myself were easing down a high grassy road with low lying tallow thickets on both sides, as we got towards the end of the trail a BIG buck jumped out not 30' in front of my pup and it was game on lol. my buddies both looked at me and said "what are you gonna do now" to which I replied not a damn thing, we are gonna sit here and drink a couple and see just what he is made of, an hour later we pulled up to that pup over over 2/3's a mile away wearing a 40lb shoat out by himself............ my point is that as long as you have pups with the natural want to then the rest is easy and all of the extras that I used to do trying to work them was just that....extras.

im not saying its the right way by any means because Lord knows there are as many different ways to go about training dogs as there are dog breeds in the world and what works for me may not work for you, ya just got to figure out what works for you and follow the plan, if things change then adapt and keep on rolling.


regarding the slowing down statement, I generally dont ride around much looking for tracks or sign, 1/2 the time i turn a pair loose from the truck before I even unload my buggy then get all my stuff together and head to em once im ready. A perfect example of where slowing down payed off for me, me and a buddy decided to make a late night run because when we were hunting in the mornings we were coming across multiple sets of big tracks throughout the lease but they were always from the night before and our dogs simply dont have that cold a nose so we decided to change it up on the hogs and started hittin the woods at 11-12 at night........ anyhow we did this one night a had caught a couple sows but nothing worth talkin about, it was 4:30ish in the morning and we were all tired, dogs included so we decided to call it good, we were 3/4 a mile from the truck so I said to hell with it told my buddy hell lets just push em to the truck.... we dropped em and started easing that way, about 400yds from the truck 3 of the 4 dogs we had started getting piggy and they all pulled right off of the road so we shut down and waited, a gyp of mine was the only one that didn't go with em and she was kinda screwin around by us not doing much but I ignored her and let her do her thing, about 20 minutes goes by and I realize she is gone, grabbed the garmin and she had gone 700yds the opposite direction of the other dogs through a young pine thicket STRAIGHT to a feeder I had set up, she made 4 circles around the feeder then rolled due north and bayed up solo on a stud of a boar hog (ive hunted those woods for over 25yrs, not all 25 with dogs but still) he ended up being the biggest boar hog Ive ever laid eyes on with dogs or through a scope in those woods. had I picked her up when she was "screwin around" we would have never laid eyes on that hog, instead we ended up catching a stud of a boar and got to watch the dogs work him for over an hour in a blowdown in the middle of a flooded creek.


SORRY FOR THE RAMBLING LOL, I was bored at work. been a while since I have visited this site, hope everyone is doing well.


We’re dang near in the exact same wavelength on this, I learned some time ago that Mother Nature has a way better way to show me the naturals than I ever did evaluating and assessing them and picking what I thought was best, now a days they are allowed to be pups until it looks like they’re mentally mature and taking them riding in the box when I go somewhere and walks through the woods doing their own thing at their own pace all while learning what the world around them is, I’ve gained an entire new meaning to satisfaction....


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Ain't it funny how that works Goose  Cheesy. ………..little bit older little bit wiser...…..I know for sure that in the past few years my whole outlook has changed, its not nearly as hard as I used to make it...…..breed em, raise em, tote em to the woods and repeat...… all the details find a way of workin themselves out. It has for sure renewed my love for hog hunting and messing with these dogs of mine, I used to be so worried about every little thing that they did or didn't do but now that Ive "seen the light" so to say my outlook has changed and I believe it has made me a better hunter and handler.
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« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2018, 09:53:21 pm »

Training can be made very easy or it can be made very hard and frustrating by the choices we make...
A few examples;

Call the pup or dog to you and you shove a pill down it’s throat...if you don’t know how to do it it will be a struggle and that creates pups and dogs that will become Leary and not trust when called to come...and then we get frustrated and make another wrong decision and that starts a cycle that will spiral downhill from there...

Knowing how to position the dog and pet him up good when forcing the pill down it’s throat is quite a bit better and the pup won’t struggle but this is not the best way only a better way...
Crush the pill or empty the capsule in a small amount of food in the bowl with a dash of chicken broth and the pup or dog will see it as a treat and when you call him to you he will gladly come to you because you have good things to give to the pup or dog...they are learning to trust you because we are consistently doing the right things...

When roading the pup or dog pay close attention...if they are interested in a scent stop and let them work on it...if they go into the woods wait until they strike or come back out...their minds will be focused on hunting and not on you leaving them behind...not waiting creates trust issues...when waiting on them they learn to trust that you are always always there...the power of trust makes for better hunting dogs...if they can’t trust they will become half a$$ hunting dogs...they will take a quick look and haul a$$ trying to catch up with you...yep, they will learn to take the hot tracks but they will leave the colder tracks alone...

If you want them to give it their best shot then wait on them...if you see where the game of choice could be hidden get off the wheeler and slowly walk in that direction and this gives the dogs a chance to find the game...same thing with winding...if they loop and keep losing the scent then take a look at the wind and see what is causing the dogs to lose the scent...is it channeling or whipping around? Is it skimming over thick brush? We figure and then we act to help the dogs....not to do the work for them but to guide them towards making better hunting dogs...

Another thing about pups that bark too much at the kennel...step out the back door and the pups bark and cry loudly...if we go to them and pet them up at that time you have just given them their first lesson without you even knowing it...they bark and we come and give attention...the pups figured that out by the third time...and now the pups are raising cane each time we step out and this will come to a head one day and this will create more trust issues again...

Ignore the pups and keep doing what you were fixing to do...I use the red rider to get my point across but it is quite a bit easier to get the results I want...if the pups raise a ruckus with excitement on my way to let them out I turn and walk away...I try to sneak up on them so they can be quiet when I show up...it doesn’t take them long to figure out that quiet is better...

If the pup don’t want to kennel at feeding time I won’t try to run him down nor beg him to come to me...I walk up and pick him up and put him in the pen...no harm done and no real issues..instead the new plan is cut back on feed and the pup will gladly kennel when the command is given...usually by the next day and for sure during the following day...

Training is pretty simple when we set up correctly and or take advantage of a good opportunity to correct or praise...sometimes it is best to ignore giving the command if you know you can’t back it up at that moment...
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« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2018, 08:41:13 am »

Reuben,

This is great a perspective, good and usable advice. I spent a lot of time in the woods and realize some of my faults in my hunting operations just by reading your post. Very good, simplified, and effective advice you give. I think sometimes I get in a hurry and don't realize what the dogs are telling me or how they're learning or woking a track. I will try to slow it down and given them more opportunity for growth and trust building.
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« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2018, 08:36:17 pm »

Jstankus...your welcome
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