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« on: March 08, 2018, 12:19:07 am »

We have a couple of dogs that are prodomently white that seem to get cut up a lot one in particular gyp has really been worked over but she bays real tight in the hogs face just wondering if it has anything to do with them being better targets because of their color?
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2018, 06:25:29 am »

I think so that’s y von plott made the plott dogs brindle to match the forest floor so the bears had a hard time seeing them


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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2018, 06:45:26 am »

That’s funny you bring this up... we were just talking about it last weekend. I’ve always heard the same thing, that the hog would target a white dog. You can see in the video Chris posted the white dog getting hit... maybe it was just because she was in front.


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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2018, 11:44:59 am »

I believe there is a lot of truth to it, I had a dog get killed one night that was mostly white, he was a stand back loose baying dog and was with several dogs that weren’t catchy rough but bayed tighter than he did, it was a coal black night and he was the only dog to get cut, he got hit in his flank and his chit Lin’s spilled out, I firmly believe that the reason he got hit was because he was the most visible, back when I was a teen we used to have catch dog competitions every weekend within 15 miles of my house, I’ve literally seen thousands of catches and a brighter colored dog more times than none would be outa the money simply for the reason the hog would see them coming and counter act, a catch dog is a catch dog and a bay dog a bay dog no matter their color but it’s a heck of lot easier to counter attack something that’s highly visible, this is the very reason that I prefer a darker colored catch dog....


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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2018, 01:05:37 pm »

lol... that's why I suit my dogo's up with camo cut vests... them big bodied white dogs wouldn't have a chance if I didn't I guess....
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2018, 05:56:44 am »

lol... that's why I suit my dogo's up with camo cut vests... them big bodied white dogs wouldn't have a chance if I didn't I guess....

I don’t think a camo vest will help a dogs out, maybe some training wheels lol just kidding so don’t get your panties all wadded up in a tight and uncomfortable place, I know how dogo folks wear their feelings on their sleeves, my good friend was once blinded by the white until he came back to his senses...

Life is a game of averages, every single aspect of it and on average a brighter colored dog is going to be the more visible target no matter which way we spin or what kinda jokes we try to make out of it...


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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2018, 06:47:56 am »

We have talked about this for years, more on bear then hogs. All things being equal as far as all dogs the same distance from a hog or bear, I would say it is easier for a hog or bear to target out a lighter colored dog. I believe what ever dog is causing a bear or hog the most grief, is the one that is going to get targeted. My darker colored Plotts seem to get cut up as much as the lighter colored ones.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2018, 09:24:19 am »

I have hunted many years with real light colored yellow dogs and have lost more to gators than hogs. I have seen a lot of dark colored dogs, belonging to people that hunted with me, killed or injured by hogs. Maybe the hogs just pick out the odd dog in the bunch or the ones that don't have the sense or athleticism to get out of the way.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2018, 02:25:30 pm »

I have hunted many years with real light colored yellow dogs and have lost more to gators than hogs. I have seen a lot of dark colored dogs, belonging to people that hunted with me, killed or injured by hogs. Maybe the hogs just pick out the odd dog in the bunch or the ones that don't have the sense or athleticism to get out of the way.

I think you are right on, and probably a mixture of all of the factors you mentioned.

I know when I was up hunting bear the last couple of years that my bear hunting partners fully believes that the dog with the odd color out will get targeted.
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2018, 04:55:38 pm »

We have talked about this for years, more on bear then hogs. All things being equal as far as all dogs the same distance from a hog or bear, I would say it is easier for a hog or bear to target out a lighter colored dog. I believe what ever dog is causing a bear or hog the most grief, is the one that is going to get targeted. My darker colored Plotts seem to get cut up as much as the lighter colored ones.

You hit the nail on the head, the one doing the most pestering is more than likely going to be the first target....


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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2018, 07:15:46 pm »

Pigs lack the cones we have in our eyes. They cannot judge color the same as us.

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If anything it would be the lack in contrast in color. Them yella dogs should be invisible to pigs!!!LOL Wink
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2018, 08:37:11 pm »

I agree, my yella dogs get cut more than my buddies dogs... PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY FIND HOGS!!!
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2018, 07:20:19 am »

lol... that's why I suit my dogo's up with camo cut vests... them big bodied white dogs wouldn't have a chance if I didn't I guess....

I don’t think a camo vest will help a dogs out, maybe some training wheels lol just kidding so don’t get your panties all wadded up in a tight and uncomfortable place, I know how dogo folks wear their feelings on their sleeves, my good friend was once blinded by the white until he came back to his senses...

Life is a game of averages, every single aspect of it and on average a brighter colored dog is going to be the more visible target no matter which way we spin or what kinda jokes we try to make out of it...


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Goose,,, Im gonna blame Mr. Larry for makin them parkers too black,, my 7 yr old male spends more time in the pen healing up then  hunting..lol..
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2018, 09:13:56 am »

If they ain't getting close enough to get cut, then they are yeller, at least on the inside Wink
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2018, 05:19:12 pm »

 I've had the same quandary about AB's. Why do so many breeders insist on white dogs? They stick out like a sore thumb in the woods, making easy to be shot, grabbed by a mountain lion, or gored by a hog. not to mention health problems associated with tightly bred white dogs. And for protection purposes they have a hard time doing their job. I personally like a near solid brindle dog. you'll never see them coming at night, and just barely see them during the day in the woods.
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2018, 07:36:50 am »

I've had the same quandary about AB's. Why do so many breeders insist on white dogs? They stick out like a sore thumb in the woods, making easy to be shot, grabbed by a mountain lion, or gored by a hog. not to mention health problems associated with tightly bred white dogs. And for protection purposes they have a hard time doing their job. I personally like a near solid brindle dog. you'll never see them coming at night, and just barely see them during the day in the woods.
















I've had the same quandary about AB's. Why do so many breeders insist on white dogs? They stick out like a sore thumb in the woods, making easy to be shot, grabbed by a mountain lion, or gored by a hog. not to mention health problems associated with tightly bred white dogs. And for protection purposes they have a hard time doing their job. I personally like a near solid brindle dog. you'll never see them coming at night, and just barely see them during the day in the woods.
      I agree read somewhere most people are more afraid of a black dog I know a good dogs a good dog but color does seem to be a factor when it comes to longevity of a hog dog my brindle and black dogs rarely get a scratch but the ole mostly white dog has spent most of her life healing.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2018, 11:52:06 am »

Most animals see in black and white so shades in between will be different shades of gray...so a medium colored dog such as red brindle should blend in to the average surrounding...

I have always believed in that on account The first TV I grew up with was black and white...a black dog will stand out and so will a white dog but white even more...the average black mouth cut will stand out as a bright light gray in a black and white TV...
I am pretty sure a wild Hog knows which dog is his worst enemy...
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2018, 02:42:58 pm »

That’s funny you bring this up... we were just talking about it last weekend. I’ve always heard the same thing, that the hog would target a white dog. You can see in the video Chris posted the white dog getting hit... maybe it was just because she was in front.


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Haha yah !! I even said it after everything was done that she might have been targeted because she’s white

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I could be wrong on this because it’s not my dog , but That’s her son on the right and I haven’t seen him ever seen him get targeted .

I’m not sure what to think of it


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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2018, 11:28:55 pm »

I've never seen in my type dogs where light colored dogs get hit more often than one of a different color.    Hesitation and holding style are about the only reason one of mine will take a hit as a young developing dog.    Plus i don't run more than 2 dogs.  More than 1 dog per side reduces the dogs ability to hold clean.   Of course it's a much different game and scenario with bay doggers and their style dogs.    Out of a couple hundred catches I might see 1 or 2 hits in the plate covering the shoulders.       Might get one wound per year also.  Light colored dog or dark, doesn't matter
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2018, 03:35:10 pm »

I've never seen in my type dogs where light colored dogs get hit more often than one of a different color.    Hesitation and holding style are about the only reason one of mine will take a hit as a young developing dog.    Plus i don't run more than 2 dogs.  More than 1 dog per side reduces the dogs ability to hold clean.   Of course it's a much different game and scenario with bay doggers and their style dogs.    Out of a couple hundred catches I might see 1 or 2 hits in the plate covering the shoulders.       Might get one wound per year also.  Light colored dog or dark, doesn't matter

This seems to support your view

http://forums.bowsite.com/tf/bgforums/thread.cfm?forum=17&threadid=319842
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