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« on: May 19, 2018, 10:02:03 am »

The Kentucky Derby is 1-1/4 mile
The Preakness is 1-3/16 mile
The Belmont is 1-5/10 mile

Great trainers get the great horses to train...Bob Baffert was a great Quarter horse trainer who switched over to training Thoroughbred horses...he won the Kentucky 2 weeks ago with Justify...

Barrert and the Jockey both have a good feeling about this horse...he is favored to win today and I totally agree...

If he does win today then I will have something to really look forward to in the hopes of a triple crown winner when the Belont will run in three weeks...the Belmont is hard to predict on account this is a 1.5 mile race and no one knows what the horses can do after a 1.25 mile race so it is unpredictable on account of not have any stats to read and analyze...

My feeling is still with Justify for the triple crown...

Baffert won the Triple crown with American Pharoah a few years back and back about 15 or 20 years ago he lost the triple crown by a nose which really sucked but that is horse racing...

I like to see greatness from dogs, horses and humans...I thank God that I was there to witness greatness whether it be in real life or on the screen...

I am looking for greatness in pups even if it is in the back yard...always looking for the potential of greatness in a pup... and I appreciate an extra-ordinary performance in woods by a good hog dog...it is worth picking up dog poop and feeding dogs every day for these moments that will last a lifetime...

Secretariat is a great horse of a lifetime...

Walter Payton is one of the greatest running backs of all time in my mind for more than a few reasons...

What one person sees as greatness might not be for the next person...
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2018, 10:28:06 am »

Great horses make great trainers. To be a great trainer, you need great owners who have the means and knowledge to produce or buy the horses with the potential to be great.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2018, 10:38:18 am »

Great horses make great trainers. To be a great trainer, you need great owners who have the means and knowledge to produce or buy the horses with the potential to be great.

10-4 on that...
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2018, 10:06:55 pm »

Well Justify won the Preakness Stakes today so there is hope for a triple crown winner...he didn’t win with authority to make me think he can win the Belmont in three weeks... but I do have the Belmont  to look forward to now...
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2018, 11:28:20 am »

Unraced as a two year old, first out in Feb. 2018, five wins in five outs in ninety days against the best three year olds in the world, that in itself is a super horse feat. If he pulls off a triple crown after all that, he deserves to be mentioned among the greatest of all time and Baffert as a wizard.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2018, 08:18:52 pm »

they were talking about Baffert training half as many horses as the other big name trainers yet he wins the bigger races just as often if not more...he has been around horses all his life and he lives and breathes race horses...my thinking is he has that eye for a great horse which is a big advantage...
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 11:53:27 pm »

Rueben, it may be like some of the dog yards I have have been on, there were just as many good dogs in the yard of a guy feeding a small yard as there was in the yard of a guy feeding 100.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2018, 08:51:12 pm »

Rueben, it may be like some of the dog yards I have have been on, there were just as many good dogs in the yard of a guy feeding a small yard as there was in the yard of a guy feeding 100.

Yes sir...that would be a good thread to start...
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2018, 04:59:45 pm »

True that Joel. I always say you don't make a great dog great. You give him the opportunity to reach his potential. If he's truly great he will turn out that way. You can ruin a great dog though. I have seen 2 different people condition the same roosters several different times. One guy had a very low winning percentage and the other very high. It takes both to be great. An animal with potential for greatness and a trainer that gives the animal the proper opportunities.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2018, 07:06:47 pm »

T-dog you are right on...great dogs are born to be great...and it takes a good to great handler to get the best out of the dog...

Doing the right things at the right times, even the simplest of things can take the great dogs to a higher level of performance whether it is for one hunt or for overall day in and day out performance...

I know two guys that had the same bloodline of dogs yet the dogs had different styles...one hunters dogs seemed to be hotter nosed and closer ranging and didn’t wind as much...this hunter didn’t pay much attention to the dogs and moved around pretty quick...he liked covering a lot of ground pretty quick...his dogs seemed to have keeping up on their minds while trying to hunt which in my mind conditioned the dogs to take the hotter tracks and stronger Hog scent in the wind when winding...

The other hunter usually started from down wind and watched the dogs closely when roading them...he stopped and let them work and take as long as they needed...if they winded he would give them the time to work it out...if the dogs lost the scent he would walk in slowly where he thought the scent was coming from and the dogs would pick it back up...the dogs had it in their minds that the master was always around...their focus was on hunting and not on keeping up...these are some of the things that take good dogs and great dogs to a higher level...




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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2018, 12:06:49 pm »

Justify worked a half at Churchill yesterday in 46 and change, then galloped out 5/8 in 58 and change and did it easy. That was the fastest of 43 horses. That showed he's not a tired horse and he is maintaining his weight and energy. He is scheduled for one more easy work on June 4th and if he makes it to the Belmont sound and healthy he will win it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2018, 12:50:31 pm »

I hope he comes out and performs like the second coming of Secretariat! I’m rooting for him!
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Justify’s race style concerns me though. He has been out front or right on the lead in all 5 of his races. Most Belmont winners rate off the pace and finish strong. I hope he don’t burn himself up fighting for the lead early.
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The good news is that I don’t see any horses in the field that push the pace early. He’s got a great shot at bringing another triple crown to WinStar Farms..... they were smart to not run Audible in the Preakness! Everybody’s is making a bigger deal out of Audible not running in the Belmont. He was more of a threat at the shorter distance of the Preakness.


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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2018, 11:14:55 pm »

Baffert really likes the horse...he said he is one of the better horses he has trained...I would love to see him win like secretariet did as well...

I would love to witness another grand performance and to win it with authority...
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2018, 07:39:32 am »

Today we find out if justified can be justified as one of the all time greats...the Belmont is better than the super bowl to watch when the potential is there for a triple crown winner...

Baffert has said good things about this horse...however he didn’t look or sound confident when asked about the Belmont right after the Preakness win...my bet is on Justified regardless...

I believe Baffert has an eye and feel for a good horse...and the feel for when and how to prep a horse to bring out the best from the horse...

The same as a good dog man with a good dog...
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2018, 06:11:32 pm »

He did it! .....and made it look easy. Great horse! Good call bigo!


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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2018, 06:32:18 pm »

He was impressive indeed, but the horse that amazed me was Gronkowkski, not sure if he was intentionally held back at the start to save his gas for the end or he had a bad start altogether, whatever it was he had the most impressive race, in my opinion anyways, one other great thing I noticed, both the owner and jockey gave the glory to the good Lord where it belongs...


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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2018, 07:10:17 pm »

He started out like a scalded ape...which I didn’t think wa good for the 1.5 mile race...then he settled into a controlled pace...and then brought it on home with authority...no doubt a great horse...

I was thinking he might be too big boned for the 1.5 miles...however he looks somewhat like Secretariat and proved to be a lot like him...just a big and powerful horse...

The jockey said the horse was laid back in the stall and that worried him...
The great athletes tend to have that trait...
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2018, 08:57:50 pm »

Did you notice at the beginning of the race Bafferts other horse he had in it kinda played the field and helped the jockey of justify lock in the lead and gain a little cushion, I have no clue if it was intentional or coincidence and not knocking him at all if it was intentional, that’s racing...


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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2018, 10:03:47 pm »

Goose...I went and replayed the race and you are 100 percent right...it was a beautiful setup...Justify was able to stay in the clear...I think he would have won no matter what as long as he didn’t get boxed in or was forced to go to the outside...
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2018, 06:33:10 am »

Goose...I went and replayed the race and you are 100 percent right...it was a beautiful setup...Justify was able to stay in the clear...I think he would have won no matter what as long as he didn’t get boxed in or was forced to go to the outside...

I agree, he didn’t help him get the lead but he sure helped his buddy gain a little cushion, can’t blame him at all, it’s not illegal and it’s competition, remarkable animal either way...


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