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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2018, 09:34:34 am »


I was thinking he might be too big boned for the 1.5 miles...however he looks somewhat like Secretariat and proved to be a lot like him...just a big and powerful horse...

I think the bigger more powerful horses can really shine in the Belmont due to the distance. I think they carry the weight better over the distance and I think the wider turns at Belmont help too. Thats why some of the greatest performances and race times have all come from really big horse i.e. Secretariat, Man o War, and War Admiral to name a few.

Goose I think you are right, the guy who owned Noble Indy and Vino Rosso was saying leading up to the race that Noble Indy would have the lead no matter what it took. Well Baffert is very intelligent and this is not his first rodeo and he knew that somebody pushing Justify and creating a really fast pace would be disastrous for a front running Justify. Therefor he had his own plan to make sure that didn't happen. Thats called strategy and racing, and as long as his horses both rode a clean race which they did it is not illegal. That owner is just bitter that he was out played at his own game.
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2018, 08:47:04 pm »


I was thinking he might be too big boned for the 1.5 miles...however he looks somewhat like Secretariat and proved to be a lot like him...just a big and powerful horse...

I think the bigger more powerful horses can really shine in the Belmont due to the distance. I think they carry the weight better over the distance and I think the wider turns at Belmont help too. Thats why some of the greatest performances and race times have all come from really big horse i.e. Secretariat, Man o War, and War Admiral to name a few.

Goose I think you are right, the guy who owned Noble Indy and Vino Rosso was saying leading up to the race that Noble Indy would have the lead no matter what it took. Well Baffert is very intelligent and this is not his first rodeo and he knew that somebody pushing Justify and creating a really fast pace would be disastrous for a front running Justify. Therefor he had his own plan to make sure that didn't happen. Thats called strategy and racing, and as long as his horses both rode a clean race which they did it is not illegal. That owner is just bitter that he was out played at his own game.


Yep, competition is competition and if you ain’t pushing limits you ain’t trying hard enough, I applaud Baffert for a brilliant strategy...


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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2018, 09:35:16 pm »

after a replay looked to me like no horse was going to beat Justify out the gate nor acquire a better position...the Jockey Mike Smith was able to set the pace with some help from stable mate "Restoring Hope" who was a 35-1 long shot...R Hope's Jockey kept him wide going into the first turn and then pulled him in closer to Justify so if any horse wanted to make a move they would have to go wide and would burn out...R. Hope hung in there for about a mile and then started to fade...in the meantime Bronkowski was at the rear and made a bold move to overtake the horses which he did rather impressively but it looked to me that he was running out of gas coming home and was able to come in second...Hoffburg came in third and I was thinking he would be the horse to beat on account he appeared to be a very good looking well built horse with all the tools...

Restoring Hope would have done well if he had won the Belmont.......but with Justify winning there will be much money to be made on account of the triple crown win...he is also a distant relative to Secretariat and is about the same body build and color...a big powerful horse...

Something that Bob Baffert and Mike Smith have in common is that both had that burning desire to be around horses from a very young age and they were...both of these guys know exactly what it takes to get the best out of a good horse...

Baffert has now tied with another old time trainer to win the triple crown twice...but Baffert lost a triple crown by a nose about 8 or ten years ago so he was right there...I believe he will win another one before he retires...maybe two...when he won the Kentucky Derby he was very confident in the horse to go all the way as he called him a special horse with intelligence...but at the Preakness he appeared to be fading fast at the wire so I lost a little confidence then on account the next race would be quite a bit longer...Baffert at that interview did not sound very confident because he didn't say much about the horse...regardless...the potential to win the triple crown is very exciting and something to look forward to...being witness to great performances is very much appreciated...
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2018, 11:22:25 pm »


I was thinking he might be too big boned for the 1.5 miles...however he looks somewhat like Secretariat and proved to be a lot like him...just a big and powerful horse...

I think the bigger more powerful horses can really shine in the Belmont due to the distance. I think they carry the weight better over the distance and I think the wider turns at Belmont help too. Thats why some of the greatest performances and race times have all come from really big horse i.e. Secretariat, Man o War, and War Admiral to name a few.

Goose I think you are right, the guy who owned Noble Indy and Vino Rosso was saying leading up to the race that Noble Indy would have the lead no matter what it took. Well Baffert is very intelligent and this is not his first rodeo and he knew that somebody pushing Justify and creating a really fast pace would be disastrous for a front running Justify. Therefor he had his own plan to make sure that didn't happen. Thats called strategy and racing, and as long as his horses both rode a clean race which they did it is not illegal. That owner is just bitter that he was out played at his own game.


Yep, competition is competition and if you ain’t pushing limits you ain’t trying hard enough, I applaud Baffert for a brilliant strategy...


But it wasn't just competition it was tactics. The way Baffert used the other horse was tactics to make sure that the other owner who had been spouting off about taking the lead no matter what would not be able to. Because to do so would set it up for a closer, anybody that knows horse racing knows the faster the pace the worse it is for front runners and the more it sets up for closers. Better tactics by that other owner Repole or whatever his name is would have been to say nothing and to just do it, and then force Justify and Mike Smith to make a decision, keep the lead and push, or fall back off the pace some and try and make a later run. Still might not have worked but who knows. I guess it's easy over here for me behind a computer hahahahaha
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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2018, 05:41:42 am »


I was thinking he might be too big boned for the 1.5 miles...however he looks somewhat like Secretariat and proved to be a lot like him...just a big and powerful horse...

I think the bigger more powerful horses can really shine in the Belmont due to the distance. I think they carry the weight better over the distance and I think the wider turns at Belmont help too. Thats why some of the greatest performances and race times have all come from really big horse i.e. Secretariat, Man o War, and War Admiral to name a few.

Goose I think you are right, the guy who owned Noble Indy and Vino Rosso was saying leading up to the race that Noble Indy would have the lead no matter what it took. Well Baffert is very intelligent and this is not his first rodeo and he knew that somebody pushing Justify and creating a really fast pace would be disastrous for a front running Justify. Therefor he had his own plan to make sure that didn't happen. Thats called strategy and racing, and as long as his horses both rode a clean race which they did it is not illegal. That owner is just bitter that he was out played at his own game.


Yep, competition is competition and if you ain’t pushing limits you ain’t trying hard enough, I applaud Baffert for a brilliant strategy...


But it wasn't just competition it was tactics. The way Baffert used the other horse was tactics to make sure that the other owner who had been spouting off about taking the lead no matter what would not be able to. Because to do so would set it up for a closer, anybody that knows horse racing knows the faster the pace the worse it is for front runners and the more it sets up for closers. Better tactics by that other owner Repole or whatever his name is would have been to say nothing and to just do it, and then force Justify and Mike Smith to make a decision, keep the lead and push, or fall back off the pace some and try and make a later run. Still might not have worked but who knows. I guess it's easy over here for me behind a computer hahahahaha

Call it tactic, call it competition, call it strategy, call it whatever, the 3 go hand in hand when it comes to a victory, I don’t know much about horse racing and who all said what before, during, or after this whole thing, I didn’t watch any pre race interviews much less the two legs leading up to this and only reason I watched this last leg was because I walked in the door and it was about to come on...


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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2018, 08:58:18 am »


I was thinking he might be too big boned for the 1.5 miles...however he looks somewhat like Secretariat and proved to be a lot like him...just a big and powerful horse...

I think the bigger more powerful horses can really shine in the Belmont due to the distance. I think they carry the weight better over the distance and I think the wider turns at Belmont help too. Thats why some of the greatest performances and race times have all come from really big horse i.e. Secretariat, Man o War, and War Admiral to name a few.

Goose I think you are right, the guy who owned Noble Indy and Vino Rosso was saying leading up to the race that Noble Indy would have the lead no matter what it took. Well Baffert is very intelligent and this is not his first rodeo and he knew that somebody pushing Justify and creating a really fast pace would be disastrous for a front running Justify. Therefor he had his own plan to make sure that didn't happen. Thats called strategy and racing, and as long as his horses both rode a clean race which they did it is not illegal. That owner is just bitter that he was out played at his own game.


Yep, competition is competition and if you ain’t pushing limits you ain’t trying hard enough, I applaud Baffert for a brilliant strategy...


But it wasn't just competition it was tactics. The way Baffert used the other horse was tactics to make sure that the other owner who had been spouting off about taking the lead no matter what would not be able to. Because to do so would set it up for a closer, anybody that knows horse racing knows the faster the pace the worse it is for front runners and the more it sets up for closers. Better tactics by that other owner Repole or whatever his name is would have been to say nothing and to just do it, and then force Justify and Mike Smith to make a decision, keep the lead and push, or fall back off the pace some and try and make a later run. Still might not have worked but who knows. I guess it's easy over here for me behind a computer hahahahaha

Call it tactic, call it competition, call it strategy, call it whatever, the 3 go hand in hand when it comes to a victory, I don’t know much about horse racing and who all said what before, during, or after this whole thing, I didn’t watch any pre race interviews much less the two legs leading up to this and only reason I watched this last leg was because I walked in the door and it was about to come on...


Goose my last comment wasn't directed at you I was just piggybacking off what you already said. Your right they all do go hand in hand and I was just adding my thoughts on how smart Baffert was.
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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2018, 08:26:46 am »


I was thinking he might be too big boned for the 1.5 miles...however he looks somewhat like Secretariat and proved to be a lot like him...just a big and powerful horse...

I think the bigger more powerful horses can really shine in the Belmont due to the distance. I think they carry the weight better over the distance and I think the wider turns at Belmont help too. Thats why some of the greatest performances and race times have all come from really big horse i.e. Secretariat, Man o War, and War Admiral to name a few.

Goose I think you are right, the guy who owned Noble Indy and Vino Rosso was saying leading up to the race that Noble Indy would have the lead no matter what it took. Well Baffert is very intelligent and this is not his first rodeo and he knew that somebody pushing Justify and creating a really fast pace would be disastrous for a front running Justify. Therefor he had his own plan to make sure that didn't happen. Thats called strategy and racing, and as long as his horses both rode a clean race which they did it is not illegal. That owner is just bitter that he was out played at his own game.


Yep, competition is competition and if you ain’t pushing limits you ain’t trying hard enough, I applaud Baffert for a brilliant strategy...


But it wasn't just competition it was tactics. The way Baffert used the other horse was tactics to make sure that the other owner who had been spouting off about taking the lead no matter what would not be able to. Because to do so would set it up for a closer, anybody that knows horse racing knows the faster the pace the worse it is for front runners and the more it sets up for closers. Better tactics by that other owner Repole or whatever his name is would have been to say nothing and to just do it, and then force Justify and Mike Smith to make a decision, keep the lead and push, or fall back off the pace some and try and make a later run. Still might not have worked but who knows. I guess it's easy over here for me behind a computer hahahahaha

Call it tactic, call it competition, call it strategy, call it whatever, the 3 go hand in hand when it comes to a victory, I don’t know much about horse racing and who all said what before, during, or after this whole thing, I didn’t watch any pre race interviews much less the two legs leading up to this and only reason I watched this last leg was because I walked in the door and it was about to come on...


Goose my last comment wasn't directed at you I was just piggybacking off what you already said. Your right they all do go hand in hand and I was just adding my thoughts on how smart Baffert was.


I didn’t take it as such Rednose, that’s the biggest problem corresponding via text such as this forum, it’s up to the readers to determine the tone and context of a statement, what we may think is a smart as$ remark in reality it isn’t...


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