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« on: July 08, 2018, 09:29:09 am »

How many of you have any experience or knowledge of them or have actually had one???


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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2018, 09:59:14 am »

Years ago before DNA testing I bred a litter of purebred airedales...the airedales tied at least for or five times during the first 3 or 4 days...toward the end of the heat cycle I bred her once with a mt cur dog...I did this because I knew I would be able to tell the difference if she had any half cur pups...and my logic also included that there wouldn’t be many crossed pups or any at all due to so late in breeding the cur to the Airedale...

Long story short...she had one pup out of 8 or 9 pups that was half cur...

My feeling is for multiple sires to have a chance at siring pups is to have both males to breed back to back with the female or fairly close...also my thought is that the first male might be the one that produces more pups...

I also think there are other factors involved but not limited to...such as sperm count and motility strengths and issues...
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2018, 10:47:43 am »

Years ago before DNA testing I bred a litter of purebred airedales...the airedales tied at least for or five times during the first 3 or 4 days...toward the end of the heat cycle I bred her once with a mt cur dog...I did this because I knew I would be able to tell the difference if she had any half cur pups...and my logic also included that there wouldn’t be many crossed pups or any at all due to so late in breeding the cur to the Airedale...

Long story short...she had one pup out of 8 or 9 pups that was half cur...

My feeling is for multiple sires to have a chance at siring pups is to have both males to breed back to back with the female or fairly close...also my thought is that the first male might be the one that produces more pups...

I also think there are other factors involved but not limited to...such as sperm count and motility strengths and issues...

I’ve got a bulldog gyp that the last two litters she’s has had she’s had more than one sire, the first time it happened she was in heat and my dad called me and said he put her in a dog box in my backyard, when I got home i turned her loose and she went straight to a cur dog and tied with him and after hanging with him immediately tied up with a  bulldog I had, I didn’t realize it happened until the pups were a couple of months old, she had two males that were clearly bulldogs, the head and jaw structure were identical to my male bulldog, the other 3 were females and it’s no mistaken they were off my male cur dog, they act and bay and are built identical to him...


Fast forward a couple years and this last litter I raised off her she had 13 and 4 or 5 of them were black and white, there’s no black dogs anywhere close in the last several generations of her pedigree or the male bulldog I bred her with, the ones that are black and white also have some ticking on their legs, a longer hair coat, ears set lower on their head and bigger than the others, and a few of them have noses that aren’t solid colored, the other six all have the color phase and patterns I expected to get, have nice round heads and short tight slick coats, and smaller ears that sit high on their head, my cousin lives in between me and my folks and has a black mutt yard dog that runs around and looks identical to the black and white colored pups and has ticked up legs and I noticed him hanging around my dog yard before I took her to my friends house and locked her on stock trailer and had her bred to his male...

I’ve read about it for years but have never contemplated actually doing it on purpose, the first time it happened it took me several months to completely convince myself that it had actually happened and this last time I’ve been just watching the pups as they get a little older, they’re about 5 weeks old now and I believe without a shadow of a doubt that the milk man from next door is the sire to the black and white ones, I know it’s common practice in the coon dog world and a guy I hunt with from time to time will tie his female to every male dog he has in his yard, and has been doing this for years, he isn’t trying to keep or breed up a line/strain of dogs, he’s just concerned about getting dogs to use and hunt and catches a pile of hogs every year...


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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2018, 11:07:05 am »

I will add to what you said about the coon hunters...they sometimes use multiple sires on the usually titled dogs and then they dna test the pups to ID who their sire is...this seems to be a good breeding strategy if someone wants to maintain the dams line and have diversity on the sires side...
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2018, 02:19:40 pm »

Yessir,,, if you have two male dogs that u want pups off of,,, you can sure tie em up with the gyp on separate days and get the pups off each male... Done it several times ,, in dogs that are visually easy to see the difference in.  One male one day,, the other the next on the 10th - 13 th day of her cycle will do it..
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2018, 03:30:01 pm »

I have litter like that right now bred to yellow dogs and 3 pups came out red with 2 of them looking just like my little Male dog.  Kind of glad it happened now..looks like all puppies are going to make dogs 8 months old right now.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 09:50:41 am »

Funny story, buddy of mine has a jack Russel and the neighbor great perioneese or how ever you spell it. Well he got out bread the big white dog and had full size pups that look like russels.100 lb dogs no b's anyways the neighbor was pissed, cause he also bread his own male back to her and can't tell which are pure or crossed other then some having the brown collered ears .
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