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Author Topic: Gyps Cycling and Dog Food Issues?  (Read 688 times)
Reuben
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« on: July 28, 2018, 12:06:19 pm »

Some dog folks, especially on other sites has spoken quite a bit about their females not coming in heat or skipping heat periods...one of the guys that speaks quite a bit on it seems to be very knowledgeable and make good sense to me...of course there will be nay Sayers out there especially when one thinks outside the box...


He is saying that Iodine is the big culprit and will usually be in the higher end dog foods...it can be listed as Potassium Iodate or Calcium Iodate and probably other names as well...He also has said that switching to the cheaper feeds has started his females cycling and having pups...some have followed his advice and are now having litters of healthy pups...

Below is one of the posts he has posted on this issue...

Watch for chemicals that replace iodine. When they take corn and grain out, they are natural iodine sources. I believe many dog food over compensate.
 Potassium iodide is used as a suppliment Butt that chemical is also used as a medication to control hyperthyroidism. Several dog foods use, kelp, fish oil, calcium iodate, and others together to compensate. 1 dog food listed their iodine at 2.33mg per lb. Stating any extra would be expelled by urine. Dr. Hollada on this board has stated .75 mg per lb is ideal.
 Too much iodine will actually shut down the thyroid and when that happens, also affects the adrenal gland. Both essential in the reproducing cycle. Dogs systems are seemingly more sensitive to chemicals over natural food.
 A few have stated that they believe it is the GMO in dog food. Which is also possible. Since we never had this rash of problems years ago before they started to "improve" our dog food. Again, GMO, is not natural foods...
 I am no Vet, but these are my theories and so far they have worked. I know several telling me the same thing. I know personally, a couple people who followed this advice and got puppies when they hadn't for years. Some took a year, some the very next heat cycle.
 Some of the people that had "not so nice comments" ended up loosing entire litters, or mother's producing no milk. This post here seems that people are just listening instead of making fun. Remember 17,000 views and 289 comments on the first post. Over a year, a couple hundred phone calls and PM's following what is going on and others having the same results.
 Remember, my ideas are just theories, gut feelings, and guesses... But they have worked. I can only explain what I have witnessed with my own eyes
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2018, 12:22:54 pm »

over the years there has been talk of the Euthanasia drug being found in dog food...it is said that meat based dog food use animals that have been put down for dog food...so I can see this happening...I do not know this to be true other than have read about it elsewhere...

reading other posts on issues with dog foods got me to thinking about the issues I have had with dog foods...
I fed a dog food for many years and it was good...then several years ago I had to increase food intake so the dogs could maintain weight...I watch very closely how much I feed...I might pay more for a dog food but I also can see that I will feed less...so the price works out and the clean up is less...

 once I started to increase the food to maintain weight I noticed the stools were more frequently diarrhea and hard to wash off the slab...in spite of me increasing the food intake they were not at the weight I like keeping my dogs in...I also noticed some of my dogs acted like they had ear mites but I knew they did not...they were losing hair from the side of their necks from all the scratching due to itching...

 I swapped feeds and the scratching is gone and the dogs weight went back up and now I am feeding quite a bit less...I have been feeding dogs for many years so I can tell pretty quick when there is a potential problem....I also know my dogs eat considerable less in the hot summer and less at the peak of the hotter temperatures...and the opposite is true the colder it gets in the winter...

 I was looking at the dog food issue from another angle...I was thinking whatever was added to the dog food was for the dogs to increase food intake...thus the dog food company would increase profit margin...but with my keen observation all that would happen is that I would change dog food companies and I hope those companies that do this type of business can go out of business and that other dog food makers can see what will happen to them if they don't change their ways...
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2018, 12:30:16 pm »



Many have had issues with their gyps not cycling and there has been references to maybe the dog food can be the issue...I copied and pasted the Hyperthyroidism Symptoms below it mentions problems with fertility, light menstrual periods—perhaps even missed periods...and one of the causes can be too much supplementation with IODINE...also, what I have posted below is from a human study but probably could apply to dogs...

 Hyperthyroidism Symptoms:

 Appetite change (decrease or increase)
 Frequent bowel movement—perhaps diarrhea
 Light menstrual periods—perhaps even missed periods
 Problems with fertility
 Itching and hives
 some people who consume too much iodine (either from foods or supplements) or who take medications containing iodine (such as amiodarone) may cause the thyroid gland to overproduce thyroid hormones.

 Diagnosis
 Hyperthyroidism is diagnosed based on symptoms, physical exam, and blood tests to measure levels of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) and thyroid hormones T3 and T4. Your doctor may also decide to order either an ultrasound or a nuclear medicine scan of your thyroid to see if it has nodules, or whether it is inflamed or overactive.

 The actual diagnosis of hyperthyroidism is easy to make once its possibility is entertained. Accurate and widely available blood tests can confirm or rule out the diagnosis quite easily within a day or two. Levels of the thyroid hormones themselves, T4 and T3, are measured in blood, and one or both must be high for this diagnosis to be made
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2018, 11:34:02 pm »

The AAFCO which sets guide lines for animal feeds recommends a minimum of 1.5 mg/kg iodine and the maximum tolerated is 3mg/kg. Most of the better dog foods have 2 mg/kg of iodine. Victors only source of added iodine is calcium iodide and they have a 2 mg/kg level of iodine.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2018, 11:19:22 am »

I was wrong on the maximum iodine. The maximum is 11 mg/kg.
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2018, 12:58:23 pm »

I was wrong on the maximum iodine. The maximum is 11 mg/kg.

Bigo...thanks for sharing...

The post I copied if I interpreted correctly was saying the dog food he used at the time before changing to a cheaper grain based dog food had 2.33 mg of iodine per pound or 5.13 per kg...

The veterinarian that frequents the website says the iodine content per pound of dog food should be .75 mg...or 1.65 mg per kg...

Again on the higher iodine and the gyps not cycling....it is through observation, theories and gut feeling and not scientific data...however, if I had a gyp that wasn’t coming in heat as she should I wouldn’t hesitate to swap feeds to one that was known to have a lower iodine content...
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2018, 07:52:58 am »

I have been struggling with a gyp I have for several years. She is pretty tightly bred, so I thought that may have something to do with it. She would barely swell, and never had what I would consider a real heat cycle. She is 5ish now. Last heat cycle she showed a little bit more than ever before, and I managed to get her stuck twice, but only while holding her. She never took, and I began doing some research trying to figure out if there was anything I could do to get her to cycle correctly and get bred. I ran across this post and gave it a try. I have always fed Diamond High Energy. I went and got a bag of Ole Roy to feed her. I knew when she was supposed to come in so I started about a month out. I will say that she has swollen up more than she ever has, and I got her stuck twice so far this week. Once being held, and the other was just in the pen. She is actually flagging and everything this time. First time she had ever done that. I also picked up some Thyro Tabs to see if I could boost her thyroid a little more.
Thanks for the info fellas. Gonna cross my fingers and hopefully she will stick and carry them through.
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2018, 11:33:51 am »

Wheat Germ Oil is one of the best breeding supplements, start your female and even your male on it about a month before you expect the heat and breeding to take place. I have had several females that swelled and bled very little they will breed and conceive you just have to watch them closer so as not to miss them.
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2018, 04:30:01 pm »

Wheat Germ Oil is one of the best breeding supplements, start your female and even your male on it about a month before you expect the heat and breeding to take place. I have had several females that swelled and bled very little they will breed and conceive you just have to watch them closer so as not to miss them.

Little off topic but one of the best females I’ve ever hunted with would never come into heat once my friend purchased her, he tried for years to get her bred, we were hunting one day and this mediocre male he had in the box with her hung up with her, she never once showed she was in the slightest bit and other males weren’t messing with her, but I’ll be danged if she didn’t have a litter of scatter bred trashers 63 days later...
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