Question for the guys that have done some breeding

[Slim9797]

Attempting to make my first cross. Got a gyp who just came 2 years old that I really like, she’s in full blown heat and I’ve had her penned for 4 days with this male of my buddies I kennel. So far I have yet to see them tie, and honestly the male acts 110% like he could care less that this gyp is standing 3 foot from him. Has anyone see something like this? Or am I over thinking it? Any advice is much appreciated. I’ve had some good gyps over the years I always talked about breeding and never did and have kicked myself a million times over it. I’m really wanting pups out of this gyp before she puts herself in a bind she can’t get out of


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[Slim9797]

Little added info. These dogs are no strangers to each other. Have been kenneled side by side for a year or so. My gyp has never been bred and to our knowledge neither has the male. I currently have them both penned in his 4x8 kennel(I’ve read in a few places maybe putting them in a bigger pen or trailer would be better)


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[t-dog]

Slim I'm no expert but I have seen this. We had one male pit that absolutely would not cover a female until she was exactly ready. All other males would be doing back flips over her but when she was just right he would take care of business. I've seen other males that had stage fright. As long as you were watching and standing around, they wouldn't do anything or even act interested. I could walk off and come back 10 minutes later and they would be tied up. Another thing is the heat.  Sometimes dogs won't eat until after dark when it cools down. The same applies to breeding. A lot dogs won't do anything during the day because it's too hot. I usually try to wait until day 10 to put a male with a female. I was taught that it's usually about day 10 from the day she starts spotting blood before she will accept a male. It isn't always possible to  catch that though. I also put him with her every other day after their first tie. But....when you get a situation like you have now, I do exactly what your doing. Hope this helps and good luck.

[The Old Man]

Keep them away from one another, best if they cannot even see one another then put them together and sort of stay out of sight. That way it will be fresh on their mind and they will pretty much immediately do what ever they are going to do that day. If in 20 or 30 minutes they still are paying no attention to one another separate them. I check and or breed females every other day when trying to breed them. Some males will show no interest unless the hormone level or scent is just right.  If you just put them together and leave them you will never know until they show if you got it done or not, typically it would work as most often nature will take its course.  (Sometimes) a female will be longer than usual from showing heat to actually be ready to breed. 10-14 days after first blood would be in the normal range but it is not a solid rule, some sooner some later. The color of discharge is a good "country" way of knowing when a gyp is ready. The early blood will be bright, when they are ready it will be from a wine color to a chocolate color.

[Judge peel]

What the old man said is bout how I go bout it


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[Goose87]

T-dog and old man pretty much covered everything well, some other things to mention that hasn’t been and a lot of folks will not even attempt these but depends on how bad you want pups, flick the vulva of the female ( her rose petal in case you aren’t sure what the vulva is) gently with your finger, if she curls her tail up and looks back then she is in standing estrous and ready to breed, I use this method every time I breed a gyp and it has never let me down ( could be coincidence, who knows) another thing to do is to stimulate your male if he’s never been bred and by stimulating I mean put your wrist to work and get that boy happy, I’ve had to do that in the past, my old stud dog wouldn’t breed a gyp that nipped at him any at all, I eventually figured out what was going on and would only bring the female in when she willingly let another male try to mount her...

[Reuben]

Like already mentioned...
It is best to keep them apart until she starts flagging...usually on the 11th day and she can breed from 4 to 8 days once she starts flagging...if the male is inexperienced and he tries mounting here too early she might tear his butt up a few times and then he will stay away from her...keep them apart until she is ready...put them together early in the morning if she isn’t flagging and backing up to him or humping him then she isn’t ready so just take him back out and try again that evening or the next morning...

Many times it takes fifteen minutes for them to warm up to each other before they tie up...

Good luck on getting some pups...

[Pwilson_10]

Slim get in there and show him how make sure he is watching hahahahah just playing


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[Slim9797]

Just brought sketch inside to test her with my moms house dog. I know he will breed a gyp, done had him get to a gyp I had once before. She’s kinda play fought with him and then she’d back up to him and cock that tale around. I guess this is what y’all are calling “flagging” I separated them as soon as I seen him act like he wanted to mount her. change of plans now with the stud. My uncle has an 9 year old cow dog off the Line of stock dogs he’s had for 25+ years. Getting down to almost nothing left and I talked him into making the cross and it’ll be good for both of us. Will be heading to the ranch this evening with sketch in tow


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[Mike]

She oughta be ready... but I’ve seen them flag and the male not breed them for another  day or three.


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[Slim9797]

Fingers crossed it all works out. Her and this Levi dog tie up We should have some sure enough good looking brindle dogs with all the ingredients to make some high caliber dogs


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[Slim9797]

tie numero uno


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[t-dog]

Slim is she related to your uncles dog? If so how are the bred? Just curious

[Slim9797]

No sir she is not related to them. His dogs go back to some old school doughbelly dogs and some east Texas leopard curs. That’s what it started out as.


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[t-dog]

I see, I have some doughbelly stuff as well. They were pretty nice dogs. At least the ones that I experienced were. Doughbelly lived in my neck of the woods. At one time there was quite a bit of it around here but I think most who had are about to run out

[Slim9797]

My uncle runs a ranch here in southern lee county. They say back in the day that man they called doughbelly had wild stuff running everywhere. Cattle cur dogs wolf hounds all sorts of stuff. If you have ever heard the name Timmy exner, this male is out of same line all his dogs were


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[t-dog]

I sent you a PM Slim

[Slim9797]

Thomas I left you a voicemail


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[Slim9797]

Went yesterday to the vet and he did an ultrasound for me. Me and my uncle were skeptical once we sat down and really thought about how old Levi is(11 or 12), but apparently he’s still got it going on. Vet said he forsure could see 4 heartbeats. I’m hoping there maybe one or 2 more she was hiding in there but I’ll take 4 healthy ones all day. Should know what we really got around Halloween when she should pup out


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[Slim9797]

Should be seeing pups in next day or 2 hopefully. I’m getting impatient


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