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« on: February 19, 2019, 08:18:14 pm »

Been a while since I’ve seen a real good discussion post on here. This is a topic I often think about and can answer definitively that I know what mine is in the few short years I’ve been messing with dogs. What are you guys biggest regret when it comes to dogs, whether it be selling a good one, not breeding a dog, pushing one too hard, not taking a piece of advice you were given, or selling out, they say hindsight is 20/20 but if you could have just that one back, what would it be?


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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2019, 08:28:43 pm »

I had a male dog named Cobb that was as good as I’ve been to the woods with. I got him from buddies dogs off Casey, Big E’s, and Tshelly’s dogs. He was specifically off that old Boogie dog that was so high powered. I never bred him cuz I didnt have a gyp and hadn’t been to the woods with one I liked. I could have bred him but I didn’t want that blood next door and having to compete with em for hogs and barrs. Looking back, it was stupid. He may not have produced a lick, but I wouldn’t have these regrets thinking of what could have been. I been after one like him ever since. His collar hangs on my porch and reminds me what a good dog is all about.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 05:34:15 am »

My regret is collection. I wish that I had collected my old Clyde dog and a couple of  his offspring and the same with my Simba, Zeus, Vegas, and Hondo bulldogs. There were a couple of very influential females in both families that I should have gotten more out of too. I have some pups on the way that breeding back to my Clyde dog might produce my dream dog if this litter happens to just miss the mark lol. What I'm striving for is attainable but this would have quite possibly made things so much easier. A couple of times it might also have kept me from breeding myself into a corner as bigo says. There are certain things that happen from time to time that make me appreciate and miss those dogs even more.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 03:26:29 pm »

not breeding some good line bred gyps
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 09:23:04 pm »

Mine would go back to my Kate dog. She was as good as I’ve seen go, that went for most anybody who saw her. I loved that dog, I was proud of her, but I was young an dumb and so caught up with feeling the need to prove she was all I claimed her to be to anyone who questioned her, which in hind sight none of it makes any sense because I had absolutely 0 to do with the dog she was, I just earned the respect and trust from the right people and got the chance to own her. But the one thing I did not do was give that dog the respect she was owed. I more than once put her down in positions I knew would tax her in some way, she would no sooner heal up from a bad wreck and I’d be taking her again. She had earned and was owed way more respect than I gave her, and it’s the sole reason all that’s left of her is that worn out yellow collar hanging on my dog box, a lot of memories, and the very recognizable lasting impact she had on my sketch gyp that she raised up. I pushed her to her limit, and she went there and never missed a stride, and then I pushed her one more time and she put her nose down and trailed her last one.


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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2019, 09:32:01 am »

I don't have many regrets in any facet of sporting dogs I've been in involved with but my biggest was not breeding my old Bo dog more than once, I got him as a pup when I was 16 and blessed to have owned a dog of his caliber so early in my hunting career because he set the bar as to what I expect out of a dog and still use him to compare my dogs today, I'm not going into detail about this dog because we all know what makes those special dogs just that, special, at the time I never had any older hunters to hunt with to compare him to anything and just went off my pawpaws observations of him when I decided to breed him when he was young, he went on to make a name for himself the more folks I hunted with and I really got the big head and boy thought I had something when our former state senator "60" Rayburn contacted my pawpaw and sent him over to my house to talk me into selling my dog, Mr. 60 had bought Bo's sire since I had owned him and had heard of him through other hunters, that man could have offered me a million dollars and as poor as I was and am would've never sold him, looking back I thought he was going to live forever and kept telling myself I'd breed him later and later never came after he got killed, now today I still have some dogs that go back to him but nothing close, after he died it took me along time and going through a lot of dogs to get back into going to the woods with confidence about what I had in the box and not "hoping" we were going to catch a hog, listening to whom I thought were top tier hunters say all that gibberish about not breeding a dog till they were older and proven themselves and basically on the death bed was the biggest mistake I made and almost put me out of dogs before I ever got started good, now a days I have no problem breeding a younger dog, I know my family of dogs and what to look for in them at certain time frames, if you have something good don't be afraid to breed it, you just have to be honest with nobody else but yourself about how the breeding turned out...
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2019, 01:35:26 pm »

It seems to be the thing most experienced dog men regret. I have only spoke with a couple that do not regret breeding this dog or that bitch more. It is very rare for someone to say they have the best dog they have ever owned number 2ting on the yard now. I too wish I had bred my terrier Gizmo more. the difference for me is I wish I would have made him more available for stud.
  I will share that some of the old dog men I respect a great deal told me when I asked him why he doesn't collect on his dogs. He said "if you need to use frozen semen then your breeding program is going in the wrong direction." I still wish I collected of a couple of my terriers. (Sorry Ronni)

I will raise another question do we think our older dogs were better because we seen more hunts out of them and we happened to be newer to the sport?
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2019, 07:58:14 pm »

my biggest regret...was selling a line of dogs I created that were as hard hunting as any...accurate strike dogs that did not quit a track...dogs with plenty of grit and some that would hunt and die of heat stroke if not caught or called in...dogs that started out close and if I wasn't moving would range further out until they found a hog...there were times when I sent my dogs in after others just came out with their dogs that said there weren't any hogs in the area...decent dogs seldom miss...

after creating that line of dogs I let it all go in 2007...and I don't have that caliber of dog today...fair but not the same...

a great hunting dog is a dog that looks good in any company and has the genetic make-up to reproduce itself when bred within the family...

letting it go is my regret...
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 08:59:02 am »

Over time I have learned, if a dog is something you are planning to breed in your program one day, as soon as you see the hint that the dog and littermates could possibly be what you expected, you better breed them. My buddy Sid lost his Fancy gyp over night at the vets office. She was 7yrs old and rarely got cut. He thought she was safe. Thing is, it's a hazardous occupation. We have some dogs out of her  and the 5 or 6 that were in the litter are really nice dogs. But, the plan was to breed her one more time, now we can't. I say this to say don't wait too long because like the song says, if tomorrow never comes.....

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2019, 04:12:38 pm »

Not breeding a dog sooner....
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2019, 04:24:02 pm »

Over time I have learned, if a dog is something you are planning to breed in your program one day, as soon as you see the hint that the dog and littermates could possibly be what you expected, you better breed them. My buddy Sid lost his Fancy gyp over night at the vets office. She was 7yrs old and rarely got cut. He thought she was safe. Thing is, it's a hazardous occupation. We have some dogs out of her  and the 5 or 6 that were in the litter are really nice dogs. But, the plan was to breed her one more time, now we can't. I say this to say don't wait too long because like the song says, if tomorrow never comes.....

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Yep, I know there's always exceptions to every rule but looking at averages the life expectancy of a hog dog isn't very long in comparison to other disciplines of dog hunting, if the hog or environment don't get them then the wear and tear that comes with the job will finish them off, then factor in vehicle incidents, yard accidents, and just plain bad luck and if not breeding strategically a man put quickly put himself out of dogs real quick, years ago I hunted with a fella a time or two and he had a good boar show up behind his house and he put on him and got all four of his dogs killed, all he was left with was two pups, he had hog hunted just about his entire life and got out that day, he didn't breed very much only when he needed dogs and by doing so he got put out the game in one bad roll of the dice, he wasn't so upset about getting his dogs killed as it was his entire family he had built up was gone and he knew what he had invested in creating them and breeding them up to what they were, that's always stuck with me and why I raise at least two litters a year...
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2019, 09:07:03 pm »

That's exactly why I do it too Goose, exactly. I can place pups with people I feel will hunt them right and give them.the opportunity to turn out. 9 out of 10 people will ask for breeding advise when the time comes and offer me whatever I want or need out of it. I have put in the time with my little family and I can't afford to keep a hundred dogs to keep it going the way I want. I let others help me. I get to hunt with 9 out of 10 that i place or that helped make a breeding decision about so I don't have to just take the word of someone else. I can form my own opinion. I'm not the type to withhold advise if asked for fear that someone might know as much as myself. I'm also not the type to not let my blood out for fear of someone out hunting me or whatever. If they do then I can still be proud and be happy that they are doing justice for the dogs I shared with them. I would have a major regret if I lost friends or didn't better my family because of foolish pride.

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2019, 01:40:26 am »

That's exactly why I do it too Goose, exactly. I can place pups with people I feel will hunt them right and give them.the opportunity to turn out. 9 out of 10 people will ask for breeding advise when the time comes and offer me whatever I want or need out of it. I have put in the time with my little family and I can't afford to keep a hundred dogs to keep it going the way I want. I let others help me. I get to hunt with 9 out of 10 that i place or that helped make a breeding decision about so I don't have to just take the word of someone else. I can form my own opinion. I'm not the type to withhold advise if asked for fear that someone might know as much as myself. I'm also not the type to not let my blood out for fear of someone out hunting me or whatever. If they do then I can still be proud and be happy that they are doing justice for the dogs I shared with them. I would have a major regret if I lost friends or didn't better my family because of foolish pride.

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Well said T-dog...
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2019, 01:46:04 am »

That's exactly why I do it too Goose, exactly. I can place pups with people I feel will hunt them right and give them.the opportunity to turn out. 9 out of 10 people will ask for breeding advise when the time comes and offer me whatever I want or need out of it. I have put in the time with my little family and I can't afford to keep a hundred dogs to keep it going the way I want. I let others help me. I get to hunt with 9 out of 10 that i place or that helped make a breeding decision about so I don't have to just take the word of someone else. I can form my own opinion. I'm not the type to withhold advise if asked for fear that someone might know as much as myself. I'm also not the type to not let my blood out for fear of someone out hunting me or whatever. If they do then I can still be proud and be happy that they are doing justice for the dogs I shared with them. I would have a major regret if I lost friends or didn't better my family because of foolish pride.

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That is the truth I try and put my terriers in the hardest hunting homes with the fairest hunters. Hoping the are gonna hunt the hides of the ones I send them.

I am not a fan of breeding too soon been proven a liar to many times thinking I know the future but that screwed me one time really hard with a great one. As long as you keep them all and cull hard it is okay. I just happen to hate pups from 2 days old until about 3 months. So didn’t work for me to keep a whole litter.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2019, 09:23:01 am »

It seems to be the thing most experienced dog men regret. I have only spoke with a couple that do not regret breeding this dog or that bitch more. It is very rare for someone to say they have the best dog they have ever owned number 2ting on the yard now. I too wish I had bred my terrier Gizmo more. the difference for me is I wish I would have made him more available for stud.
  I will share that some of the old dog men I respect a great deal told me when I asked him why he doesn't collect on his dogs. He said "if you need to use frozen semen then your breeding program is going in the wrong direction." I still wish I collected of a couple of my terriers. (Sorry Ronni)

I will raise another question do we think our older dogs were better because we seen more hunts out of them and we happened to be newer to the sport?

A good friend of mine and I had this conversation a while back, we were talking about the lack of grit we were both experiencing at the time, seemed like the hogs were just blowing away at bays and the dogs weren't putting any teeth on them, and neither one of us had that problem before and he mentioned that back when we were both young in this sport we fooled with our dogs dang near everyday, baying in a field or a pen or stomping out briar patches and kicking hogs up for them, we were a lot younger and put WAY more time into making them what they were, as both of us bred for hunt and focused on that we slowly bred away from the dogs that were on the grittier side, he took a male off this blood we have now a days and fooled with him just like we used to the older dogs, baying him everyday, in a practice pen and and thick thick wooded pen that's about 4 acres of briars, and in my opinion he ruined the dog, he will go find a hog like it's nobody's business but as soon as you get there or the bay breaks it's like the hunts over for him and he's bred off a family of dogs known for their get out there and go type of hunting, the difference between the dogs today and then is today our dogs are heavy stock bred and have a fare amount of line breeding behind them, and our older dogs were just best of what someone's had to what they thought was the best they could find and were hunted in a completely different style to what we hunt today...

I say not breeding my old male was a big regret but the more thought I put into it, it couldn't have happened any more perfect, I'm afraid had I had a yard full of dogs off of him I may never have found the family of dogs I have today and on average they are just as good and better than him and they reproduce themselves well...
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2019, 09:27:25 am »

my biggest regret...was selling a line of dogs I created that were as hard hunting as any...accurate strike dogs that did not quit a track...dogs with plenty of grit and some that would hunt and die of heat stroke if not caught or called in...dogs that started out close and if I wasn't moving would range further out until they found a hog...there were times when I sent my dogs in after others just came out with their dogs that said there weren't any hogs in the area...decent dogs seldom miss...

after creating that line of dogs I let it all go in 2007...and I don't have that caliber of dog today...fair but not the same...

a great hunting dog is a dog that looks good in any company and has the genetic make-up to reproduce itself when bred within the family...

letting it go is my regret...

Reuben I'm pretty sure you'll take this as me jabbing at you but it's not and if you feel that way then my apologies upfront, but I have to ask, what happened to this line you created and sold out, I know you've mentioned before that there wasn't but a few years gap in between you selling out and deciding you still wanted to hunt, did they all get killed or die off or the person you sold them to didn't breed them,  I'm not trying to pick or pry just asking a sincere legitimate question...
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2019, 09:34:21 am »

That's exactly why I do it too Goose, exactly. I can place pups with people I feel will hunt them right and give them.the opportunity to turn out. 9 out of 10 people will ask for breeding advise when the time comes and offer me whatever I want or need out of it. I have put in the time with my little family and I can't afford to keep a hundred dogs to keep it going the way I want. I let others help me. I get to hunt with 9 out of 10 that i place or that helped make a breeding decision about so I don't have to just take the word of someone else. I can form my own opinion. I'm not the type to withhold advise if asked for fear that someone might know as much as myself. I'm also not the type to not let my blood out for fear of someone out hunting me or whatever. If they do then I can still be proud and be happy that they are doing justice for the dogs I shared with them. I would have a major regret if I lost friends or didn't better my family because of foolish pride.

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That's one of my biggest blessings with messing with these dogs is that I have a support system of folks around me that I trust with my dogs and they trust me with what I tell them to expect out of dog, and follow my breeding plans, if I didn't have them in my corner to send pups to be hunted and tested there is no way I could financially afford to breed dogs like I do, I've never sold any of them a pup( although I'm not against it) and I let a pup leave on 3 conditions, if they get rid of it it comes back to me, if it doesn't make the cut it comes back to me so I can see for myself what's wrong and can rest assured that the dog isn't contributing to a gene pool, and if they make the cut on being breed worthy I raise the first litter off a pairing of my choosing, I've had a few "friends" stab me in the back but I never sweat the small stuff because it's only themselves that they are hurting in the long run, I may get burned once but refuse to let there be an opportunity for a second time getting burned...
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2019, 09:20:53 pm »

my biggest regret...was selling a line of dogs I created that were as hard hunting as any...accurate strike dogs that did not quit a track...dogs with plenty of grit and some that would hunt and die of heat stroke if not caught or called in...dogs that started out close and if I wasn't moving would range further out until they found a hog...there were times when I sent my dogs in after others just came out with their dogs that said there weren't any hogs in the area...decent dogs seldom miss...

after creating that line of dogs I let it all go in 2007...and I don't have that caliber of dog today...fair but not the same...

a great hunting dog is a dog that looks good in any company and has the genetic make-up to reproduce itself when bred within the family...

letting it go is my regret...

Reuben I'm pretty sure you'll take this as me jabbing at you but it's not and if you feel that way then my apologies upfront, but I have to ask, what happened to this line you created and sold out, I know you've mentioned before that there wasn't but a few years gap in between you selling out and deciding you still wanted to hunt, did they all get killed or die off or the person you sold them to didn't breed them,  I'm not trying to pick or pry just asking a sincere legitimate question...

no apologies needed...I was one of those that my dogs a certain way and didn't share my dogs with anyone except a few friends...I tried involving those few friends with the breeding program and set them up with pups...one liked breeding a certain way...the dogs hunted well but he culled what I called his best dogs because he liked close ranging dogs...he did get me out of a bind once when he gave me a female pup out of one of my males...

the other friend mixed all kinds of dogs with what I gave him so I finally just bred my own...eventually every dog I had was all around and I was very proud of them...
In 2006 I retired and thought I was going really make it big in the stock market but that didn't work out...I am making plans to make it happen this time around...however, I really like my job and will work a few more years just to make a cushion...

right after I retired I hunted pretty hard for a while and hunted at night by myself and that got expensive since I drove at least 100 miles each trip...

during that time I lost a dog to old age and lost one to cancer...the first of two I have lost to cancer...I also lost my breeding female to heat exhaustion...she was hog finding and hog stopping machine...on that hunt a friend sent his bulldog to a bay that another dog of my had going and then he couldn't get to them and my dog got his bottom jaw broken bad enough that I had to put him down amongst other cuts...I killed the hog and I took my dog to the truck and spent some time doctoring him there...once I got back the female who had been baying her hog...when I got back to the general area she wasn't baying anymore but I still has a signal...I found her and she was in shock in some water and that was about it...sometime before then an up and coming male was ham strung and he never was the same so I gave him away a little earlier...

then I got cancer and was going to have to fight that so I sold what I had left for almost nothing...these were three pups that were better than average at 10 months old...the forth I had given to a friend and his only real fault was that he was too gritty for his own good...

if I had him or one of his brothers I could have that bloodline going in three years...

I now run vests on any strike dog that will need it...dogs that hunt hard without vests will die from heat exhaustion about as fast as those that wear them...

my wife cried the day I got rid of my dogs and she said I was making a mistake...and she was right...

breeding great dogs is easy when you have the right dogs...the hard part is finding the right dogs that hunt as well as we like that can also reproduce themselves...
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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2019, 03:05:39 pm »

my biggest regret...was selling a line of dogs I created that were as hard hunting as any...accurate strike dogs that did not quit a track...dogs with plenty of grit and some that would hunt and die of heat stroke if not caught or called in...dogs that started out close and if I wasn't moving would range further out until they found a hog...there were times when I sent my dogs in after others just came out with their dogs that said there weren't any hogs in the area...decent dogs seldom miss...

after creating that line of dogs I let it all go in 2007...and I don't have that caliber of dog today...fair but not the same...

a great hunting dog is a dog that looks good in any company and has the genetic make-up to reproduce itself when bred within the family...

letting it go is my regret...

Reuben I'm pretty sure you'll take this as me jabbing at you but it's not and if you feel that way then my apologies upfront, but I have to ask, what happened to this line you created and sold out, I know you've mentioned before that there wasn't but a few years gap in between you selling out and deciding you still wanted to hunt, did they all get killed or die off or the person you sold them to didn't breed them,  I'm not trying to pick or pry just asking a sincere legitimate question...

no apologies needed...I was one of those that my dogs a certain way and didn't share my dogs with anyone except a few friends...I tried involving those few friends with the breeding program and set them up with pups...one liked breeding a certain way...the dogs hunted well but he culled what I called his best dogs because he liked close ranging dogs...he did get me out of a bind once when he gave me a female pup out of one of my males...

the other friend mixed all kinds of dogs with what I gave him so I finally just bred my own...eventually every dog I had was all around and I was very proud of them...
In 2006 I retired and thought I was going really make it big in the stock market but that didn't work out...I am making plans to make it happen this time around...however, I really like my job and will work a few more years just to make a cushion...

right after I retired I hunted pretty hard for a while and hunted at night by myself and that got expensive since I drove at least 100 miles each trip...

during that time I lost a dog to old age and lost one to cancer...the first of two I have lost to cancer...I also lost my breeding female to heat exhaustion...she was hog finding and hog stopping machine...on that hunt a friend sent his bulldog to a bay that another dog of my had going and then he couldn't get to them and my dog got his bottom jaw broken bad enough that I had to put him down amongst other cuts...I killed the hog and I took my dog to the truck and spent some time doctoring him there...once I got back the female who had been baying her hog...when I got back to the general area she wasn't baying anymore but I still has a signal...I found her and she was in shock in some water and that was about it...sometime before then an up and coming male was ham strung and he never was the same so I gave him away a little earlier...

then I got cancer and was going to have to fight that so I sold what I had left for almost nothing...these were three pups that were better than average at 10 months old...the forth I had given to a friend and his only real fault was that he was too gritty for his own good...

if I had him or one of his brothers I could have that bloodline going in three years...

I now run vests on any strike dog that will need it...dogs that hunt hard without vests will die from heat exhaustion about as fast as those that wear them...

my wife cried the day I got rid of my dogs and she said I was making a mistake...and she was right...

breeding great dogs is easy when you have the right dogs...the hard part is finding the right dogs that hunt as well as we like that can also reproduce themselves...

That will definitely set a man back for sure, it's crazy to think that a man can pour his life into building something and lose it all in the blink of an eye...
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2019, 05:11:56 pm »

He right you are goose

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