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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2019, 10:49:58 am » |
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That's well put Slim. I agree in the lost art. There are lots of reasons for it but 1 reason I see is because there aren't as many people using dogs on cattle anymore and those that are a lot of times are using them on sight cattle. Anytime you start breeding for specific or isolated traits you lose others if you aren't real careful. I try to place pups with people that will use them on cattle as well as hogs. Not every litter but enough to make sure that they are still versatile. I'm with you on the fighting and easy handle too. Bottom line is intelligence and want to as goose said.
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sacatchdog
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2019, 11:42:58 am » |
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Yes tdog, we do cross foxhounds , wich is our south african fastest hound, with a kind of greyhound wich brings us the best of both worlds, but we normally keep the blueticks together with the grand blues to make a good cold nosed hound! Our chasers as we call them does most of the work and we use them to stop a sounder , they comprise of about 60% of our pack. We do need cold nosed hounds to work a track for us! We have been experimenting with walkerhounds for a faster cold nosed hound but we are still in the baby stages of that trail!
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2019, 11:59:37 am » |
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TDog,
I am the “someone” who used the term “bluff” to describe the front end, finesse style bay dog that is ideal for me. You are correct about this type of dog having deficiencies & shortcomings. We get beat at times when gritty dogs that sink ivory probably don’t.
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The reason I prefer this type of dog is because I don’t have space to keep many dogs. The dogs health and ability to hunt tomorrow are more important to me than catching the hog at this point. I don’t like doctoring dogs, vet bills, and not having them available to hunt. I hunt by myself on foot most of the time. I have carried wrecked and overheated dogs out of the woods. It’s not fun to me. I take very good care of my dogs and value their health and safety above catching hogs at this point.
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Track Speed/Style - my experience leads me to believe that there is an “ honest” style track dog that falls between the straddler and the winding/drifting style. The honest track dog swings & cheats more than the straddler but less drastically than the drifter type. This type of track dog locates a high percentage of the tracks they start at a pretty nice speed. Old timers call it “ running tight” to the line with hardly any losses. This is the type of track dog I like.
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Good thread/conversation. Some of us like spicy, some of us like sweet. Some like sweet and spicy. You have illustrated that with this thread fo sho! Happy Huntin!
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2019, 12:36:21 pm » |
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Shotgun I completely understand your point. It makes perfect sense. The dogs that I have that will pull hair get beat sometimes too. I don't hunt stupid rough, so in the really thick stuff they aren't putting themselves in a bad spot. If Mr hog ever comes out of it he's in trouble and that's ok with me.
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2019, 12:44:12 pm » |
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Sacatchdog I wish you luck!
Shotgun, I use to hunt your style dogs. There got to be so many hunters and hogs got so wild that the hunts got longer and longer and caught fewer hogs. I decided me and my dogs had to evolve too so I started breeding for more bite and track speed. I'm by no means where I want to be but I like what I've got, lol. I'm fortunate in the sense that we have a LOT of hogs here, they are just super wild and high headed.
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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2019, 12:59:02 pm » |
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Tdog that why I always carry one of my striaght catch curs we get in on a circle jerk and I will send in the gladiator works 95 % of the time but if you live by the sword you best keep it in your hand
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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2019, 01:01:51 pm » |
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True that
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2019, 01:58:24 pm » |
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Yip, tdog, we do a cross between a foxhound and a kind of greyhound so we get best of both worlds, fast warm nosed hounds and we use them to stop the pigs! They are responsible for 60% of our kills. We also use pressure dogs to pressurise the pigs to turn and fight in conjunction with the chasers that i spoke of! They are normally a kind of bluetick cross pointer or a bluetick cross dogo . The pressure dogs and the chasers make up 75% of our pack! They work very nicely together with our running catchdogs. We usually have between 2 and 4 cold nosed hounds wich are crosses between blueticks and grand blues! We are trying some walker hounds to see if we can speed up our cold nosed ability but im not sure if they will be able to track a day or two day old trail?
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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2019, 02:05:25 pm » |
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Do you like the bird dog or dogo ross better?
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2019, 02:43:46 am » |
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Yip, tdog, we do a cross between a foxhound and a kind of greyhound so we get best of both worlds, fast warm nosed hounds and we use them to stop the pigs! They are responsible for 60% of our kills. We also use pressure dogs to pressurise the pigs to turn and fight in conjunction with the chasers that i spoke of! They are normally a kind of bluetick cross pointer or a bluetick cross dogo . The pressure dogs and the chasers make up 75% of our pack! They work very nicely together with our running catchdogs. We usually have between 2 and 4 cold nosed hounds wich are crosses between blueticks and grand blues! We are trying some walker hounds to see if we can speed up our cold nosed ability but im not sure if they will be able to track a day or two day old trail?
If you don’t mind and are able to share, what lines of the walker fox hound are y’all importing and using? |
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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2019, 04:11:25 am » |
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Yip, tdog, we do a cross between a foxhound and a kind of greyhound so we get best of both worlds, fast warm nosed hounds and we use them to stop the pigs! They are responsible for 60% of our kills. We also use pressure dogs to pressurise the pigs to turn and fight in conjunction with the chasers that i spoke of! They are normally a kind of bluetick cross pointer or a bluetick cross dogo . The pressure dogs and the chasers make up 75% of our pack! They work very nicely together with our running catchdogs. We usually have between 2 and 4 cold nosed hounds wich are crosses between blueticks and grand blues! We are trying some walker hounds to see if we can speed up our cold nosed ability but im not sure if they will be able to track a day or two day old trail?
You will be lucky to even find a cold nosed fast walker...fast yes but not cold nosed...the competition hunters can not win with a cold nosed dog so over time it has been the hot nosed dogs that do the winning more often than not so winners get bred to produce more winners which is why many walkers are hot nosed today... |
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2019, 01:57:42 pm » |
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Hi guys, my phone got lost on a hunt, lol! Yes tdog, i havnt had the dogo crosses for long and they are still young so i dont know yet but what i can say is the bird dog crossees are workaholics and not scared and a very fast silent dog! We have them in most of our hunting packs over here and i like to hunt them!
Thanx for the info about the walkers, the bloodline comes from warwick evans in the eastern cape, he imported them a few years back and the walkerhound are coming into play now with their fast tracking abilities, but we wil ztill have to use a coldnosed hound to find us some pigs to track! Like this weekend we got one big sow and it took us a half a day to track her and to get the track hhot enough for the chasers to bay her after wich we put the catchdogs down! The latter part took us 10 min!
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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2019, 02:26:54 pm » |
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Man that's neat. Sounds like those ole hounds are work horses.
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2019, 03:00:47 pm » |
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Hi guys, my phone got lost on a hunt, lol! Yes tdog, i havnt had the dogo crosses for long and they are still young so i dont know yet but what i can say is the bird dog crossees are workaholics and not scared and a very fast silent dog! We have them in most of our hunting packs over here and i like to hunt them!
Thanx for the info about the walkers, the bloodline comes from warwick evans in the eastern cape, he imported them a few years back and the walkerhound are coming into play now with their fast tracking abilities, but we wil ztill have to use a coldnosed hound to find us some pigs to track! Like this weekend we got one big sow and it took us a half a day to track her and to get the track hhot enough for the chasers to bay her after wich we put the catchdogs down! The latter part took us 10 min!
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« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2019, 09:35:40 pm » |
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What is my ideal...a dog that makes it look easy finding and baying hogs...not to cold nosed but not hot nosed...a dog that has a good winding nose...I prefer the dog that hunts with me but not a requirement...cut and slash and drift a track to find the hot end and go with it...when finding a good track open two or three times to pull in the other dogs to pack...I don’t mind the dogs to split up on different hogs but prefer them to pack up as much as possible...I like natural born abilities and inclination...I don’t care for a dog I have to feed a lot of tracks to to make a dog...just doing the right things at the right time is all the pup should need to make a good dog...I don’t give a pup no more than a year because he should be on a curve and if not on that curve it will be hard for me to keep that pup...if the pup meets my standards chances are it will be the type of dog I like...he would be the middle linebacker of the football team...not the fastest but fast...not the strongest but strong...and be quick and smart...a dog that makes it look easy is a very smart dog...
I like a strong swimmer, a dog with lots of drive and bottom...I also like the dog to hunt in circles around me and getting further out if I am not moving along fast but the dog will cast further if I stop...roading usually doesn’t work with this type of dog until the edge is off but lower priority in my book...
I have culled many mt curs and at least 6 plotts since I got back in the hogdog game because I have high expectations...I feel I have what I need now to progress forward with my own dogs and a friend who also agrees with my logic also has the type of dogs I like...and we have agreed on sharing and helping each other out...for us it has never been about money when it comes to hunting dogs...there are other details but a little further down the list...
Baying is a big one...the type of dogs I like are rough...one will usually hold a bay....two will make a boar break and run for a while...4 will eventually stop one...my dogs would be better if I hunted them as much as I would like...
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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2019, 10:30:28 pm » |
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Yes tdog its a challenge over here but the corn season is coming and then we hunt easy for a while for obvious reasons but for now we do average around 18 kilometers a hunt and our pack of hounds does one and a halve of that!
Yes our clean walkerhounds are white with brown spots and they are faster than the fast foxhounds that we have! Some of them have some blackish hai inside the brown spots wich give them a chocolate brown look!
When i listen to you guys i get very excited because i know we have stil got a lot to learn, my hunting style differs a lot from my colleagues and i tried to base some aspects to your american hunting styles and put our spin on it! Ive had difficult times to get the right dogs as we dont have the caliber of dogs over here but have been getting great success over the last season! Thanx guys!
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2019, 10:49:23 pm » |
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You have the sense to know what it takes to find, bay, and catch hogs and are humble enough to learn from others. There's no doubt you will raise the bar and skill set of the dogs you have over there. Good luck to you.
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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2019, 06:14:45 pm » |
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Yes tdog its a challenge over here but the corn season is coming and then we hunt easy for a while for obvious reasons but for now we do average around 18 kilometers a hunt and our pack of hounds does one and a halve of that!
Yes our clean walkerhounds are white with brown spots and they are faster than the fast foxhounds that we have! Some of them have some blackish hai inside the brown spots wich give them a chocolate brown look!
When i listen to you guys i get very excited because i know we have stil got a lot to learn, my hunting style differs a lot from my colleagues and i tried to base some aspects to your american hunting styles and put our spin on it! Ive had difficult times to get the right dogs as we dont have the caliber of dogs over here but have been getting great success over the last season! Thanx guys!
Would you know the breeding behind the running walkers, Clay breeding possibly, they have been being imported in over there last few years and have severely helped the ranchers out in stock loss due to predators depredations mainly jackal and caracal.... |
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2019, 06:16:56 pm » |
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You have the sense to know what it takes to find, bay, and catch hogs and are humble enough to learn from others. There's no doubt you will raise the bar and skill set of the dogs you have over there. Good luck to you.
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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2019, 09:13:24 am » |
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A cow bred cur "catchdog" is what we breed for. Straight "head" dogs. They are expected to work both hogs and cattle.
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