Breeding older gyps

[Cajun]

What is the oldest female yall have bred and had success with?

[t-dog]

I had a friend who's old cur gyp got bred at 12 or 13. She had 3 pups raised 2. I don't know what caliber of dogs they made though.

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[t-dog]

Ohhhh wait I did have a dog out of a 10 year old gyp that was a really nice dog. My old yonder gyp was also bred at 10+ and I have hunted with one of those and own another one and both are doing well. I think  if they are cared for good and not been bred umpteen times, that you can get good dogs out of older gyps. Maybe not quite as good as they might have produced in their prime, but still brood stock worthy and way far from culls.

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[Goose87]

Main gyp I’m breeding around a good bit was around 13 when she died and had raised a litter of 3 at 12, I have a male at my house now out of that litter that I’m breeding to a few gyps kin to him in the right ways...


Tdog I’ve heard that before about a female have better quality offspring at younger age and the quality of the offspring declining the older she gets, I understand them not having as many as their eggs are used up but how does the quality of the offspring decline, not poking or anything just asking out of pure curiosity...

[Goose87]

Main gyp I’m breeding around a good bit was around 13 when she died and had raised a litter of 3 at 12, I have a male at my house now out of that litter that I’m breeding to a few gyps kin to him in the right ways...


Tdog I’ve heard that before about a female have better quality offspring at younger age and the quality of the offspring declining the older she gets, I understand them not having as many as their eggs are used up but how does the quality of the offspring decline, not poking or anything just asking out of pure curiosity...

And my lil girl gyp is out of same female I mentioned above and I’m about to wean 3 males off her and the stud dog off the old b!tches last litter, and Girl is approaching 10 and still as springy but much calmer and smarter as she was when she was 4, longevity is then gene on top and bottom of this family of dogs, the males I bred to originally all lived to be in their teens and one produced fertile semen up until he died, it’s definitely a strong gene in these dogs that wasn’t purposely selected for...

[t-dog]

I didn't take it as poking goose. It's a question I've wondered about too. The only explanation I can think of is that like a males swimmers become weaker and fewer with age, that maybe her egg quality declines as well. Maybe because of age her body Isn't getting everything there that it would've when she was in her prime or better shape. Maybe it's like Toby Keith said, " may not be good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was" lol I don't know. I do think your lucky if you have dogs that having longevity in reproduction, especially the females. Males can be collected and it has always been easier to find the good males to breed to. With good females, if you don't own them, then you are at the mercy of the owner as to how many and which pups you get on top of it's their choice as to what she's bred to. With good dogs that are bred right, I've always felt like you should be able to reach in blind and grab a pup and be confident that it will turn out right. But....I'm one of those people that when I see "that" puppy, that's the one I want, that pup that has that "it" factor to me. More than likely I won't be satisfied with any other. That's just the way I'm wired unfortunately. Chemistry goes a long way in all relationships.

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[Goose87]

I didn't take it as poking goose. It's a question I've wondered about too. The only explanation I can think of is that like a males swimmers become weaker and fewer with age, that maybe her egg quality declines as well. Maybe because of age her body Isn't getting everything there that it would've when she was in her prime or better shape. Maybe it's like Toby Keith said, " may not be good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was" lol I don't know. I do think your lucky if you have dogs that having longevity in reproduction, especially the females. Males can be collected and it has always been easier to find the good males to breed to. With good females, if you don't own them, then you are at the mercy of the owner as to how many and which pups you get on top of it's their choice as to what she's bred to. With good dogs that are bred right, I've always felt like you should be able to reach in blind and grab a pup and be confident that it will turn out right. But....I'm one of those people that when I see "that" puppy, that's the one I want, that pup that has that "it" factor to me. More than likely I won't be satisfied with any other. That's just the way I'm wired unfortunately. Chemistry goes a long way in all relationships.

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I may be wrong and not understanding this, I just can’t see where that can be scientifically true, I’ve heard it myself for years, it’s not like she’s being stripped of her actual DNA and genetic material and chromosomes, I’ve been wrong more times than right and would like to hear others understanding of this from what they know or think...


I’ve raised enough pups that I pick up on and watch for certain things as little pups and look for those with that “it” factor about them, I’ve also picked the bust before, my Kate gyp off my running walker gyp butterbean and Cajuns Jack dog had that “it” about her before her eyes opened, for some reason I was just drawn to her immediately and picked another female to keep I thought was nice, but I couldn’t keep myself from being drawn to her, I listened to my gut and kept her and she’s turned out to be really nice and the best one out the litter, it’s weird bc I’ve never been just mesmerized, for lack of a better term, by a pup at such a young age, should’ve named her IT lol, when I had my friends come over and pick them up I just couldn’t let myself let her go...

[Cajun]

EXCUSE THE CAPS BUT I AM PECKING WITH ONE HAND. THIS IS A 12 YR. OLD GYP. I HAVE ONLY BRED HER THREE TIMES MAINLY BECAUSE I DIDNT WANT TO LAY HER UP AND THEN IT WAS MOSTLY IN HER LATER YEARS. SHE IS A EXCEPTIONAL RIG DOG AND TRAIL DOG. MOST OF MY DOGS RIG BUT SHE RIGS SUPER COLD TRAILS AS WELL. SHE WAS A REALLY FAST DOG THAT THROWS SPEED DOGS THAT CAN TRAIL FAST AND WHEN A HOG OR BEAR IS JUMPED, THAT GETS AHEAD OF MOST DOGS. SHE HAS NOT COME IN HEAT IN THE LAST 2 YEARS AND NOW SHE IS IN AND I AM BREEDING HER TO MY HILLBILLY DOG THAT HAS A LOT OF HER CHARACTERISTICS. GOOSE, HILLBILLY IS OFF OF JACK ALSO AND A REAL NICE DOG. SHE SLOWED DOWN TOO MUCH BY THE TIME SHE HIT 9 1/2. SHE COULD STILL GO FIND A HOG BUT COULD NOT STAY IN THE RACE. MOSTLY WHAT I USE HER FOR NOW IS IF MY 4-6 MONTH PUPS CANNOT FIND THE HOG IN MY 25 ACRE PEN, I PUT HER IN AND USALLY SHE HAS THE HOG JUMPED IN 10 MINUTES OR LESS.
  I HAVE ANOTHER GYP THAT IS IN HEAT THAT I AN ALSO BREEDING. IF FOR SOME REASON THE OLD GYP HAS NO MILK I CAN PUT THE PUPS ON THE OTHER DOG.ALSO IF LABOR SEEMS TO MUCH, I WILL HAVE A C SECTION DONE TO REDUCE STRESS ON HER.

[t-dog]

She sounds real nice cajun. I like your strategy and you won't know if you don't try. What do you think about the reproductive ability of older females, besides the obvious not giving milk or labored whelping?

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[Goose87]

EXCUSE THE CAPS BUT I AM PECKING WITH ONE HAND. THIS IS A 12 YR. OLD GYP. I HAVE ONLY BRED HER THREE TIMES MAINLY BECAUSE I DIDNT WANT TO LAY HER UP AND THEN IT WAS MOSTLY IN HER LATER YEARS. SHE IS A EXCEPTIONAL RIG DOG AND TRAIL DOG. MOST OF MY DOGS RIG BUT SHE RIGS SUPER COLD TRAILS AS WELL. SHE WAS A REALLY FAST DOG THAT THROWS SPEED DOGS THAT CAN TRAIL FAST AND WHEN A HOG OR BEAR IS JUMPED, THAT GETS AHEAD OF MOST DOGS. SHE HAS NOT COME IN HEAT IN THE LAST 2 YEARS AND NOW SHE IS IN AND I AM BREEDING HER TO MY HILLBILLY DOG THAT HAS A LOT OF HER CHARACTERISTICS. GOOSE, HILLBILLY IS OFF OF JACK ALSO AND A REAL NICE DOG. SHE SLOWED DOWN TOO MUCH BY THE TIME SHE HIT 9 1/2. SHE COULD STILL GO FIND A HOG BUT COULD NOT STAY IN THE RACE. MOSTLY WHAT I USE HER FOR NOW IS IF MY 4-6 MONTH PUPS CANNOT FIND THE HOG IN MY 25 ACRE PEN, I PUT HER IN AND USALLY SHE HAS THE HOG JUMPED IN 10 MINUTES OR LESS.
  I HAVE ANOTHER GYP THAT IS IN HEAT THAT I AN ALSO BREEDING. IF FOR SOME REASON THE OLD GYP HAS NO MILK I CAN PUT THE PUPS ON THE OTHER DOG.ALSO IF LABOR SEEMS TO MUCH, I WILL HAVE A C SECTION DONE TO REDUCE STRESS ON HER.

She has a problem milking I’ve had good results mixing rendered lard and water in the mothers feed, milk is mainly fat, water, and protein...

[Cajun]

There used to be a product called Milk Aide that would help gyps produce more milk but I have not seen it lately. First thing is to see if the old gyp takes and worry about the rest of it if it happens.

[t-dog]

Well I hope it does bud

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[cajunl]

Does she still cycle regular?

Mine usually start to get very faint and irregular cycles after 9 or so. No swelling no bleeding nothing. That is the biggest obstacle I have found. 

They only come in once a year all through their lives. So, once you miss it or unsuccessful it may not come back around in the older dogs.

[cajunl]

Sorry, Just reread she came in after 2 years.


Good luck with her. Sounds like a good cross.

[Goose87]

There used to be a product called Milk Aide that would help gyps produce more milk but I have not seen it lately. First thing is to see if the old gyp takes and worry about the rest of it if it happens.

I haven’t seen it out lately myself, i found an old book On raising pups at a flea market, it’s a dang good reference to have, in it there’s a chart that breaks down the actual content of b!tches milk and I can’t remember the %s but recall the milk being mostly water, fat, and protein, if one of my gyps is looking light on the bag I’ll add some rendered hog lard in it and next day the bag will be full, crazy the difference just over night, I add goats milk to the mothers food and to the pups when I put them on feed, that goats milk is some good stuff for raising fat and slick pups...

[Jason Dunn]

Need my old dog I guess she was 12-13 had 4 raised 2 but she wasnt a good mother.

[Reuben]

Yea Goose...I have liksit auto watering for my dogs...but I also keep a fresh bucket of water for the nursing female and keep her fat and healthy to give her the chance to produce as much milk as possible...