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« on: February 20, 2020, 11:04:52 pm »

Had a little disagreement with a gentleman this evening on facebook(lol I know) over the legality of releasing Barr hogs. Now to my knowledge, and this knowledge was give to me by somebody who would know as they work for one of the 2 governing bodies in Texas in regards to feral hogs. TPWD states the Transportation AND subsequent release of feral swine is illegal unless in compliance with TAHC code.
    TAHC code states their regulations only apply to feral swine that are to be transported from the premise in with they were trapped or captured.
    My original statement I made to the guy was if they are released on the same property they were caught, to my knowledge, that’s not illegal. I tried and tried and cannot find any legal literature with any mention of castrated wild hogs(outside of boats and barrows being legal to stock approved game fences, where sows are not) or the capture and release of a hog on the same property.
   
    Given the known history and roots of what we know as hog dogging today, being the necessity of finding, gathering, marking, and castrating free ranging woods hogs. To me it would be easy to see why there wouldn’t be any laws regarding the matter.

  I post all this to pose the question, is anybody aware of any legislation that deems the release of wild hogs on the same property in which they were captured illegal? For instance if farmer brown set a trap, caught some hogs, and ended up getting real busy and didn’t have time to jack with the hogs, so he just opens the gate and let’s em go. Is this illegal?


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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2020, 06:46:29 am »

No... the only time it becomes illegal is when you transport them somewhere else and turn them loose.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2020, 08:22:33 am »

I’m not in Texas, so of course we have different laws... but in SC releasing hogs is not a common practice. Most areas around here want them dead because of the damage they’re causing and a property owner won’t allow you to let them live. But, the only laws I know of are in regards to transporting. We can not transport unless you have a permit, and under no circumstances can you cross county lines with a live hog. You can also not transport them to release them somewhere else. They must go to a pen if they are being kept alive.

With that being said, most of DNR want the pigs gone because of all the damage they cause. While they’re not going to arrest you for cutting a boar and turning him loose, they’re definitely not gonna be happy and you won’t be making any friends with them. If I was out in the swamp on a property without crops, sure I would do it. Just gotta be aware of who may find out and who it might affect. Some of you down in Texas have it awesome with big leases that are fine with hogs being on the property. Unfortunately people over here aren’t as understanding of turning them back loose.


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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2020, 09:47:39 am »

I’m not in Texas, so of course we have different laws... but in SC releasing hogs is not a common practice. Most areas around here want them dead because of the damage they’re causing and a property owner won’t allow you to let them live. But, the only laws I know of are in regards to transporting. We can not transport unless you have a permit, and under no circumstances can you cross county lines with a live hog. You can also not transport them to release them somewhere else. They must go to a pen if they are being kept alive.

With that being said, most of DNR want the pigs gone because of all the damage they cause. While they’re not going to arrest you for cutting a boar and turning him loose, they’re definitely not gonna be happy and you won’t be making any friends with them. If I was out in the swamp on a property without crops, sure I would do it. Just gotta be aware of who may find out and who it might affect. Some of you down in Texas have it awesome with big leases that are fine with hogs being on the property. Unfortunately people over here aren’t as understanding of turning them back loose.


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Most landowners around here just want them hunted. Never had one care whether we tied or killed it. As for cutting and turning hogs loose, most land owners not gonna be real keen on that. Luckily I help manage 2 separate ranches in central and south Texas. So when it comes to hogs, we do as we want. Lots of guys down here such as y’all, hunt “problem hogs” for land owners with a “hog problem”. I gave up on that about 2 years ago. Cost me too much money to load up and go hunt a bunch of small tracts when I I can let dogs out of their pen and have 5k+ acres to hunt from there. I only have 3 places I hunt these days back home that I have 0 ties to other than hog hunting. And they all some how have Barr hogs walking around them some where.

Most people I know around me that cut hogs, are doing so without landowners knowledge. and more often than not, atleast in CenTex, they’re catching them, cutting them, hauling them to the biggest acreage place they have and turning em loose.(illegal) but most landowners I’ve ever met are hardly proactive enough about their “hog problem” to ever realize there are a bunch of castrated hogs around. And the only people outside of landowners I’ve met not real keen on finding Barr hogs are the big cell trap guys who think it is their life purpose to eradicate the wild hog. As if that’s possible.


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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2020, 10:19:36 am »

Loose lips sink ships when it comes to Barr hogs   Wink
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2020, 11:23:18 am »

In Fl you only need a Fl dept of Ag card to legally transport live hogs. 99.999% of the cops and game wardens have no idea what the law is. I haul live hogs every week. The canned hunts want live hogs to put in a 10acre pen and sell hog hunts to Yankees. 99% of the places I hunt they want barrs to hunt and hogs don't really eat pine trees. Lol

But public opinion of hogs is changing and the old days of marking and barring hogs is dying with the older hunters. I bet half the hog hunters around don't even know how to barr a hog.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2020, 11:29:29 am »

Lol they sure don’t


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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2020, 11:45:42 am »

 Hell I bay and shoot. Haven't figured out how to turn one loose with a bullet in his head Grin
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2020, 12:09:39 pm »

Shootings others barr hogs used to be hangable offence! Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2020, 01:56:31 pm »

Shootings others barr hogs used to be hangable offence! Cheesy
of the 5 I’ve killed. Not one has been marked. There’s about 20 running around between some of the country I hunt. They all carry the same mark. Never killed one, but I know the mark well Cheesy


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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2020, 02:15:06 pm »

Ain’t nothing like catching a Barr hog with your mark in its ear. It don’t happen enough, they seem to disappear and leave the country, but we catch a few slipping every year!

When someone asks me what my mark is, I tell em to look under the tail, and if there is a hole there, then it’s mine so cut it back loose  Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2020, 10:46:21 am »

Slim, I’ve come across land owners that were just too much hassle to deal with. I used to primarily hunt a for farmers, a lot of small pieces of land that total up to a 180k (the number i was told) block with the river going through it. There was one farmer that I dealt with and the other land owners had put him in charge of managing the pigs for the whole area, and he framed some of their land as well. My mentor hunted this for 12-15 years and then gave me the rights to it.

Well there, it’s a kill only place due to all the crops they destroy. One landowner wanted to meet me first time I came out there. He was an ass from the very beginning. We got on pigs right off the rip, 5 minutes in to the hunt. He got pissed that the pigs were on his corn and told us not to come back and he’d call game wardens if we did. He claimed my mentor wasn’t doing a good enough job hunting it. Well that man literally hunts and trains dogs for a living and was running that land 5-6 days a week, 12+ hours at a time. He’s well known for how many pigs he kills...
well the landowner acting like that didn’t sit well with the other land owners who were friends with my mentor and grateful for how hard he was hunting for them. Well if you hit pigs in his field they always ran to our other properties surrounding his. It’s near impossible to hunt there and stay on the property. So the other land owners made it known that anyone that came from his land on to theirs would be prosecuted. After that he couldn’t get anybody to come hunt his land, and we hunted everything around him. Didn’t take long for his fields to become the pigs safe haven and they ruined his crops bad. All because of his attitude and reputation.

He was known for constantly screwing over other people including some old widows that lived out there on their family land after their husbands had passed away. Just goes to show that what comes around goes around.

Thought I had a point here but it kinda just turned in to an unrelated story lol


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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2020, 11:55:23 pm »

Slim, I’ve come across land owners that were just too much hassle to deal with. I used to primarily hunt a for farmers, a lot of small pieces of land that total up to a 180k (the number i was told) block with the river going through it. There was one farmer that I dealt with and the other land owners had put him in charge of managing the pigs for the whole area, and he framed some of their land as well. My mentor hunted this for 12-15 years and then gave me the rights to it.

Well there, it’s a kill only place due to all the crops they destroy. One landowner wanted to meet me first time I came out there. He was an ass from the very beginning. We got on pigs right off the rip, 5 minutes in to the hunt. He got pissed that the pigs were on his corn and told us not to come back and he’d call game wardens if we did. He claimed my mentor wasn’t doing a good enough job hunting it. Well that man literally hunts and trains dogs for a living and was running that land 5-6 days a week, 12+ hours at a time. He’s well known for how many pigs he kills...
well the landowner acting like that didn’t sit well with the other land owners who were friends with my mentor and grateful for how hard he was hunting for them. Well if you hit pigs in his field they always ran to our other properties surrounding his. It’s near impossible to hunt there and stay on the property. So the other land owners made it known that anyone that came from his land on to theirs would be prosecuted. After that he couldn’t get anybody to come hunt his land, and we hunted everything around him. Didn’t take long for his fields to become the pigs safe haven and they ruined his crops bad. All because of his attitude and reputation.

He was known for constantly screwing over other people including some old widows that lived out there on their family land after their husbands had passed away. Just goes to show that what comes around goes around.

Thought I had a point here but it kinda just turned in to an unrelated story lol


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Lol I hear ya man, long story short, we ran into a guy like that years ago. We Had 3k plus of permission, 50 acres in the middle I knew we couldn’t touch. Bayed a boar hog next door, owner of the that 50 acres had the place we were on leased and called the law. Every landowner made their approval known and the law left and he helped us pull a truck out and a get the hog out of the woods. Hunt across his place to this day.


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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2020, 07:38:10 am »

To my knowledge in the state of Alabama, the transport(even on the same property) or intentional release of a feral hog (trapped, or dogged) is illegal. It is a class B misdemeanor, carries a $2500 mandatory fine per occurrence and a maximum jail sentence of 6 months.  Needless to say that all dog training is OJT, LOL. If I am wrong, someone please  correct me.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2020, 08:51:13 pm »

The information about Alabama is true. I have a buddy that got caught the first year that fine was in play  with 4 hogs in the bed of his truck. Lucky for him the guys he was hunting with split the fines with him.

Occasionally one will still slip the hobbles after having his cods removed but I don’t transport them to my pen anymore.
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2020, 12:11:20 am »

Loose lips sink ships when it comes to Barr hogs   Wink
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2020, 10:47:37 am »

Loose lips sink ships when it comes to Barr hogs   Wink
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We don’t mark the ears or dub the tails anymore, not very many at all around here that are “old school”, and when marked Barr hogs were being shot during deer season it turning up in traps we were immediately getting the finger pointed at our group, especially by other dog hunters bc it “educated” the hogs, the more educated they get I stay one step smarter at their own game, and have bred dogs to suit these PhD. Of pork that are claimed to be roaming these hills, and in return in creates jealousy and resentment, so we take our pictures for our own sake and memories and that’s about all you’ll hear of our hunts, so what we’ve started doing is any hog we catch and work we keep a pair of tin snips on the bikes and we’ll dub the left side hoof on sows and right side hoof on Barr’s, so when we see a track with an uneven hoof we know what we’re going after and no one has the sense to figure out why some hogs feet are messed up, one fella has noticed and said something but figured they were getting out of traps and messing their feet up in the process...
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2020, 11:22:56 pm »

Loose lips sink ships when it comes to Barr hogs   Wink
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We don’t mark the ears or dub the tails anymore, not very many at all around here that are “old school”, and when marked Barr hogs were being shot during deer season it turning up in traps we were immediately getting the finger pointed at our group, especially by other dog hunters bc it “educated” the hogs, the more educated they get I stay one step smarter at their own game, and have bred dogs to suit these PhD. Of pork that are claimed to be roaming these hills, and in return in creates jealousy and resentment, so we take our pictures for our own sake and memories and that’s about all you’ll hear of our hunts, so what we’ve started doing is any hog we catch and work we keep a pair of tin snips on the bikes and we’ll dub the left side hoof on sows and right side hoof on Barr’s, so when we see a track with an uneven hoof we know what we’re going after and no one has the sense to figure out why some hogs feet are messed up, one fella has noticed and said something but figured they were getting out of traps and messing their feet up in the process...
That's good stuff lol. I bet those are some funny lookin tracks
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2020, 04:15:40 am »

Loose lips sink ships when it comes to Barr hogs   Wink
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We don’t mark the ears or dub the tails anymore, not very many at all around here that are “old school”, and when marked Barr hogs were being shot during deer season it turning up in traps we were immediately getting the finger pointed at our group, especially by other dog hunters bc it “educated” the hogs, the more educated they get I stay one step smarter at their own game, and have bred dogs to suit these PhD. Of pork that are claimed to be roaming these hills, and in return in creates jealousy and resentment, so we take our pictures for our own sake and memories and that’s about all you’ll hear of our hunts, so what we’ve started doing is any hog we catch and work we keep a pair of tin snips on the bikes and we’ll dub the left side hoof on sows and right side hoof on Barr’s, so when we see a track with an uneven hoof we know what we’re going after and no one has the sense to figure out why some hogs feet are messed up, one fella has noticed and said something but figured they were getting out of traps and messing their feet up in the process...
That's good stuff lol. I bet those are some funny lookin tracks
It’s them big “slough foot” tracks we looking for now, I’ve done this off and on over the years but started looking ahead of the curve at the ways most folks are and things they do and say and figured it was time to starting our business, OUR BUSINESS, when it comes to a hog, good dove field, or longboards around here, houses have split and generational family feuds have began as a result of ones lust for the others, and when it starts getting cut throat within your own circle it’s time tighten it up along with your lips, it’s so crazy it’s actually comical...
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