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« on: June 23, 2020, 04:03:29 pm »

     The July write up was a good one.     It did very well to describe the term Run to Catch and the mentality of the hunt style that results so often from dogs that truely have that mentality about game in which it hunts.     According to the write up, the Run to Catch mentality was the most important  with  everything else either complimenting this, governed by it, or was a result of it.     The quick to jump trait was as stated a result of the dogs mentality to catch what made the scent not work the scent so even  the Julys  scenting characteristics were a characteristic of the its Run to Catch mentality.               Seems like their are some comparisons to this in others dogs which have missed the point of the artical almost completely and are in fact  more aligned with the those people incorrectly breeding the Julys resulting in the lack of distinction between the July and other  fox hounds then write up mentions and advises against.   
      I would like to defend this write up and the distinction of this breed as written in the write up and as politely as I can,  point out the differences of the Run to Catch mentality described in the July write up as some may have compared their dogs to this while at same time said they are nothing of the sort not knowing it.     
      If the July is truely like the write up implies which I am assuming they once were and some still are, the write up speaks of a fox dog not a pig dog but, the comparison is to pig dogs.   I am gonna try to illustrate the bad comparison by pointing out a few things the write up doesn't mention and rightfully is taken for granted untill the hog dogger then start a comparing his or her dogs to this July dog in the write up specifically drawing comparisons to the run to catch aspect of the July to thier pig dogs
       Again the Run to Catch mentality of the July was of most importance.    So important and strong/dominate was this Run to Catch mentality that everything was either a result of it, governed by it, or complimented it.      It was possessed by the individual dogs.    It's  not.something that arises only when the Julys are hunted together in pairs or packs.  It's possessed by the individual's  and is the defining trait of the July not the pack.       
         Did the original creators/breeders develop the July  to only catch the half grown fox and back at the mature adults?   No the July distinguished not between the half grown fox and the fully grown mature fox and treated them the same and it was the same outcome whether the breeder put 1 July down or 3.
         The last thing I'll point out is the July was suited for the Run to Catch mentality and perfomed it's job without getting torn apart or killed.  It was well suited to overtaking and dispatching its quarry without taking on much more than mange parasites it's victim carried.      It was bred to overtake its prey with a very one sided outcome resulting in quick death for the fox and  very little harm if any at all to the July.     

      How is it comparable to compare the write up about the  Run to Catch July to ones own pig dogs which this Run to Catch mentality only arises within a team of dogs or pack and then is only seen to a certain size hog?           Really there is no comparison in this instance.         The July was a stand alone dog that caught the biggest of fox.      It didn't bark at the mature ones, I caught without hesitation.   It's very development was to create a much more effecient fox dog set apart by its Run to Catch mentality which was so strong that is worked scent differently that other fox dogs do to its desire to catch that which made the scent.     
     
     To compare a Run to Catch pig dog to that of the fox dog of that write up, wouldn't it be fair to say your individual pig dogs would need to give same level of performance on pigs "all pigs not just small to average'  as the July is to fox?


    If a person has what they think is a comparable run to catch pig dog to that of the July fox dog in the write up yet the pig dog won't catch pigs of a certain size or bigger  or a dog that will but isn't fast enough to catch really has no real comparison and is really just comparing cars to planes or apples to oranges.    Sure we can say the both have seats, both are transportation, both have wheels, both run off of fuel, both are made in a factory, both take people to operate, etc etc, sure we can but it's just correct to read a write up about a plane and then say my cars are just like that only i prefer them not to fly.   No it's two different things.    A pig dog that doesn't perfom same on pigs as the July does on fox is just not comparable in the sense and merits of which the article was written and describes the July as a fox dog.     

   
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2020, 05:31:58 pm »

To capare a fox and a hog is the apples and oranges. If that solo July runs and catches a fox he's supposed to win and do it convincingly. He has every advantage on the fox. If that same solo July runs down and catches a boar hog, be it a 140# ninja or 300+ sumo wrestler, he likely loses. He's gonna take a bunch a punishment at the minimum. At least in mine and most others on heres country because it isn't gonna catch him in the wide open where he can maneuver and stay out of the way so easy. That 60 pound dog is going to tire more easily giving up that much weight and he's going to get pushed around and tangled up and rooted and beat and cut until he's dead, dying, or decides he isn't as tough as he thought and backs off to bay. I can take my Raylynn gyp and drop her solo and just like the those Julys, she's going to kick dirt in your face leaving. When you see her come by in the brush running a hog, you will wonder if she's gonna break her neck hitting a tree head on because she is trying so hard to get the hog that she almost looks out of control. That's the run to catch mentality I speak of. If she's baying the hog that she stopped because she's smart enough to know she's gonna need help catching it, then I'm a step ahead of what you are deeming a kamikaze July because brains overrode everything else. It was said that "run to catch" was a relative term in this instance. Relative to the fact that it's hogs and NOT a fox. I have never read where anyone said that a July was gonna catch and kill and not have a some battle scars to show for it. You are right about apples and oranges. There are people that have ran and still run July on hogs, pure and crossed. Are they the July of yesteryear? I can't answer that because I haven't hunted with them. The comparison was made between the dogs of the two different disciplines because of the desire to hurry and find and put the desired game at the finish end of the track.

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2020, 06:17:38 pm »

      If one was to take a July like the write up describes and use it on pigs  you wouldn't have an exceptional distinguished dog as described in the write up.  You would get a common pig dog that has some but only minor differences to the majority of pig dogs which then would make the July pig dog comparable to the common pig dog.

    How does one conclude this?    Well the July is a distinguished fox dog.    Purposefully and uniquely bred to stand out as a effecient fox dog.      A big pig is not a fox and the July was not bred to catch big pigs it was bred and created for fox.   There is somewhat of a significant difference.            If one really wants to stand out and create a pig dog that can give same level of performance as the July does on fox then one must breed dogs capable of doing so.    
    Want to create a pig dog that will give same level of  performance and efficiency on pigs that the July give on fox?  Let's visit this a moment.    

The July first and foremost caught.  Hunted to do so.   The July didn't bay.    

 Second the July  had lot of endurance.     Well we done eliminated bay dogs so that leaves looking at catch breeds.  There are a few catch breeds that fit the endurance category ok.        

   The July had pretty good nose.       Pigs give off ton more scent so that helps and leaves many catch breeds capable of finding pretty decent.      The July was fast.   Need to be really fast if your gonna be be effectively efficient.      This eliminates some catch breeds and brings others up for consideration.        
          
The July was a bigger dog than the fox which allowed it to naturally overpower and overwhelm its victim with ease and authority.
I doubt we find any dogs as heavy as a lot of big boars are  but size and structure of a dog that can give the natural ability to handle a big boar are out there in the form of a 2 different breeds.    
 Also with this category was the July  was not torn apart or killed by its victim.    Thus again is because of its size comparison and power compared to that of the fox.   The July wasn't the smaller of the two.    Maybe not by much but enough to be very effective.
This size in pig dog helps it to better control a big boar.     The better the controle the less likely of getting injured.       Notice the July wasn't the size of a small vicious terrier notably much smaller than the fox.    Size matters when controlling.       Also mentality has a little to play here in control.      Need to control a big boar not man handle it and try to overpower it because the more you try to overpower and man handle the faster your stamina fades.   So we are looking for a hard dog that defaults to holding with finess when boar permits.        Speed is very very critical in this last area also.       What does speed have to do with control and not taking punishment.     Well speed has as much or more to do with this than all the rest combined in this category.      Speed enables this dog to catch in the dogs terms and not the boars.    It's not good to be caught on the boars terms and the future pig dog needs to be bred in order to ensure the bad boars are efficiently caught with overwhelming speed so the boar can not make it from his bed or feeding area to the safety area which is the thickest nastiest crap around.       Most times the pigs are started or found  in the woods or feeding area if they happen to be different areas and only run to the thick crap when panicked or being pursued.     The dogs ability to catch this panicked or fleeing pig is the dogs ability to catch on the dogs terms and is a HUGE safety aspect for the dog plus the less distance the pig runs the less woods, creeks, cliffs, distance, you have to cross or cover to get to the dog holding the big boar.      

   So we got a hard catch dog that's very, fast really big, very powerful, good stamina, good nose but careful not to go overboard and become to good as a real long range cold nose catch dog is a danger to itself do to exceptionally long hold times and heat exhaustion.    Also our pig dog is fairly smart and learned to hold with finess and not constantly man handling the boar and trying to needlessly overpower it, just control it.      
     So what does this pig dog like that is comparable that of the July fox dog.
Is it a breed of dog that already exists or does it need to be created?      
   Two pure breeds already exist that perform this function and neither is even considered as a pig dog by this forum as a whole.     Some know about them but as a whole most do not.     That is the Wolfhound and the Great Dane.       These great dogs have been pervertedly bred now for hundred plus years and are lacking a lot but true good ones still exist.   Most problem with the dane today is speed.    Suprisingly a good amount of stamina in a great dane but the speed isn't there now in most.  .  Nose of a.fane is usually very good.  Hunt drive is usually good.   Hardness various from as hard as any pit could ever be to bay dog hard.
   Size is good and sometimes to big.     Livestock breaking needs to be considered.    Hard danes will get interested in cattle and often take to them naturally but usually with some correction and direction can be solved easily in most.
 Wolfhound take 2 years sometimes to mature and turn on.  That's their biggest problem.   Other is hunt drive varies a lot from one specimen to the other.  Take 2 years to find out If you got a rockstar of a snowflake.        The good ones are exceptional dogs for all around work.   Fast, decent nose, great style and intelligence when holding, good prey drive, really good size and awsome power.            
   Pits to small/short, That's thier biggest fault.     Great uniform hardness, very quick to mature, very hard, decent athleticism, lack speed and size.  Some pits hold good and try to hold clean while some are physio and want to mix it up.    Overall the pit when crossing one if the pure breeds to I mentioned will help bring the hardness in the future pups more in line and more uniform throught the litter  and it will carry a few generations down the line well.       One very bad draw back to crossing to a pit is they retard the size so much which usually needs to be addressed and offset.    Livestock breaking needs to be considered usually not much of an issue though.
 Dogos, make a decent first cross but never seen it carry well into further generations like the pit.     In my opinion if you breed to a dogo for so correction or uniformity you will be having to outcross again soon which to many outcrosses to one type makes years of breeding void because you have just totally changed the mentality, speed, size, nose etc to far to one side and need now to go way back the other way which makes the last outcross basically a soar point lol. ..so I recommend pits over dogo.      Often pits have as good or more stamina than dogo too and their hardness is more uniform and as said tends to carry much further.
    Mastiffs, ok but why not go with a good dane.  Some decent for mastiff athletic English mastiffs and bull mastiffs but getting close to to much bulk even with the really good ones.     Their will be decent bulk from pit and dane blood.  
Stags are great for speed and they usually make for a pretty clean and intelligence holding dog IF you cross catches on the ear.      Huge chance your taking with crossing years of breeding and developing an all.around dog a stag because even a badass male stag that catches ear of a decent boar by himself might throw a few dogs that only catch on the leg or ass.   Bad luck if you then keep this pup for yourself from the breeding.    Never want to introduce crap that catches on leg and not the head to you line of effecient all around pig dog that's comparable the July as a fox dog.   More faults to the stag outcross to consider is they produce danty features especially in the muzzle and head.     Most don't have as good of stamina as you would think or want.     You are retarding the nose and shortening your range.    They have enourmous prey drive and will trash on almost everything except livestock.   They don't follow.commamds very well but crosses are much better with commands.
    Bull terriers make good crosses for hardness same as pits.    Don't no much about their nose though.   Probably comparable to pit.     The bull terrier will give good powerful structure to the head and jaw and will usually correct  danty features as a result of having to much stag blood in your dog.        
American bulldogs are a good choice to have some blood in there.   They are usually hard and they give lot of bulk and usually don't throw as small of dogs as pits do in later breedings.       Some have good stamina and some suck.   Same with all these breeds, there are good and junk in all of them.      
I've had some cane corso blood.   Have mixed feelings about it.  If you have a heavy hand you might want to stay away from a lot of that blood as they might not tolerate it as much as some other mastiff breeds.  Some danes are same way.  ..the really hard ones might make you crap your drawers if you get stupid with them and loose your respect for them.     Most won't but some will.
     Other stuff like the really loos skin mastiffs from weird countries I'd just stay away from.    If you have to have mastiff blood, English mastiff or bull mastiff is ok but must be offset with a speed dog blood usually.
   Boxer is a catch dog breed but I don't think they add much to the first cross the way a dane does.      
      
       If a person will stay with and mix wolfhound, pit, dane blood together it will produce some very fine efficient dogs.  
Other dogs of consideration to add in the mix a little is a stag(head dog only) and American bulldog.  English or bull mastiff.
For everything you add your deleting something else.     If you need stag blood  because your lacking speed, it's better to breed a stag to a dane then breed the F1 cross into your line than doing a straight outcross to a stag and swinging so hard in that direction and diluting hardness or power or mentality or taken to much from the nose.    If your wanting longer range dogs and faster dogs and you breed to a stag, you have not done any favors to yourself because no you have fast dogs that don't suit you because your wanting range and they just kinda walk by you.       There is a dance to breeding such dogs that most will never get or comprehend.      Can't just breed stag and pit together and assume you have dogs that are top notch.    
      If a person wants to create pig dogs that they can then compare to the July as a fox dog, you yourself have to be a little uncommon.      If bay dogs is where your heart is, breed bays but know what they are as a bay pig dog will never Run to Catch or be comparable to anything that is
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2020, 07:07:52 pm »

The run to catch mentality for the type of cur dogs T-dog runs and many others tend to be the same type of dog including mine...they are not really run to catch...I am speaking more for myself but many will probably agree...these dogs are strike dogs with plenty of casting range, excellent tracking with plenty of bottom...the mentality of these dogs is more like “run to stop“...

The dog is smart enough to stop a hog and then back up and bay...if enough dogs show up they will catch, back up and bay and catch again if the hog is trying to break and run...a lot of times it is very thick so it is hard for the dogs to get close enough to stop one right away...so the dogs will be pretty far away and it might take a good while to get to them...young dogs that think they can kill a hog will sometimes die of heat exhaustion when really far away because they will fight hard without any quit which leads to heat exhaustion amongst other hazards...

Too much grit can work against this type of dog...especially the inexperienced pups with the extra grit...They tend to have that fire to run to stop or even catch...

I better explain this for black streak...

Catch and let go and if the hog tries to run catch again...the dogs are just taking a break and just keeping the hog stopped and working smart...these dogs will catch again when someone shows up or can be trained to catch on command...or to back up on command...I like this style of dog...

And there are other styles of strike dogs but we are talking run to catch mentality...and run to stop...

Run to catch a hog is exactly that...the dog would be a running catch dog...
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2020, 05:18:11 pm »

Hey Dean that open invitation is still on the table for you and your “divine creatures” to come on down here in my neck of the woods and put my mongrels to even more shame because they “bay” at a hog, no smack talking or any type of negativity of any sort, just comparing those “apples to oranges” nose, bottom, stamina, etc. all the things you claim traditional “bay dogs” lack, and to make it sweeter some of the foot warmers we feed are heavily line  bred around an old July hound male that was banned from every fox pen around on account of he caught to much game in them...



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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2020, 12:15:33 pm »

The old term "run to catch" does not apply to "running catch dogs", what it means is that the dog does not run the track for the joy of trailing (like some walking bawling hounds) but is solely interested in the game on the end of the trail even if it is of a species that dogs cannot catch and hold. The trail for the run to catch dog is just a means to get to the game on the end.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2020, 12:22:19 pm »

The Aussie, or one out type dogs do not fit the old term of run to catch, totally different definition.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2020, 06:52:37 am »

Lots of old timers do a lot on fox trials and hunts around here. Lots of July hounds. It is discouraged and illegal to catch or kill the fox.

There are some real true Dogmen.......Its all about the dogs...not the game at the end.
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2020, 11:25:22 am »

I bet that law is hard to explain to the dogs.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2020, 11:29:30 am »

"Two pure breeds already exist that perform this function and neither is even considered as a pig dog by this forum as a whole.     Some know about them but as a whole most do not. That is the Wolfhound and the Great Dane."

If these two purebreds are the ultimate dogs than why did you follow this up with the best dogs and ways to cross them to make good dog's?

I have never seen even a little bit of evidence that these dogs would work in the thick hot swamps and thickets of the south but every chance you get your saying how all other proven lines of dogs that are used successfully day in day out for many generations are inferior to your super dogs. Why is that?
  
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2020, 05:44:07 pm »

Old man you are spot on ....no questions about it.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2020, 02:42:08 pm »

Run to catch= serious bidness when what’s in the box hits the rocks, has nothing to do with style or strength or anything in between, it’s that “yo as$ is mine at whatever cost to oneself to do it” or could look at it as when gameness fuels the whole reason to giddy up in the first place, my dads patter dale was to the core of his existence “run to catch” whatever ignited him but could barley handle his own shadow but never checked up until that truck checked his as$ for him while he was fighting a coyote in the middle of the hwy “ that started off as I’m about to run you down to catch you and then attempt to destroy you and I have a certain set of special skills , such skills that make me a very dangerous patter” at least in his mind, he never got the memo that he was only 10 lbs...


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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2020, 08:38:24 pm »

From what I can remember about the July hound article, the article was distinguishing the July from dogs like the common hound and bay dog which is what yall all run and made the distinction through the length of the article.   The article was saying July's were developed because of the dissatisfaction of dogs like yalls.     He defined the term " run to catch" yet yall still want to use it in your own context to claim your dogs were like the Julys in the article.   Lmbo.    The entire article was setting the july apart from yalls type hunting dogs.   Yet you hold the article up and claim your dogs have the same run to catch type hunt mentality.      Ummmm, did you read the article.    You might have read it but clearly you didn't understand it.   In short it was saying dogs that hunt like yalls is the reason the July was developed.    A more effective and efficient dog was desired over your type dogs mentality.   Hence the July was developed by people with a more understanding and a different set of standards and style than that of yall.   
    I just shake my head in thinking to myself these probably the same people flying the confederate flag and the Trump 2020 flag side by side.      They vote republican and love Trump yet fly the democrate flag lol.   Fools!     
    For the ones that didn't get it, the confederate flag waving Republican is an analogy to the people claiming their dogs are like the run to catch July.  Your comparing your bay dog to a dog breed totally designed around a catch type mentality.   
         As further breakdown since yall wanted to apply the July attributes and traits to pig dogs, I then took the exact same concept the July was designed around as a fox dog and applied it to a pig dog.    What does that same build a dog around a catch mentality where all aspects mental and physical work to enable the effectiveness and efficiency of the dog to catch a pig same way a July hunt, runs, catchs a fox.           I broke it down for you and still you compare yalls dogs to the July.         Yall have bay dogs.    Not one of you mouthing has 1 dog that can by itself consistently catch big boars by hunting them, running them down, catching them and controlling them.         Sure some of you will make the claim you "did"  but no you didn't.   Every one of you are running packs of dogs and can't produce pictures proving this despite all your claims.   We done had this argument before and not one of you could produce 1 picture not 1 shred of hard evidence and how many pictures did I produce.   25? 40? 60 pictures?       It amazes me how people can read that July article on how the July was developed around the hole catch type mentality and compare your "pack" to the breed the article described.    Whats even more amazing is when called out on this they continue to argue  their fairytale with no shred of evidence to someone that has tons of evidence and hunts like this almost exclusively.  Yet they never have but are experts on it and have dogs that do it.  Haha.  Whatever.   
    Just for kicks and giggles, do you experts on everything know which party the confederate flag belongs to?
For those of you that truly do and recognize the confederate flag as the democrat flag, the flag of the segregstionists, the flag that represented the people fighting to enslave others and deny them equality, freedom, equal rights and GOD given liberties.   For you that recognize this and fly the American flag and know the confederate flag is that of the democrat legacy and party, i mean no offense to you in my analogy given earlier.     So many fly that flag and stand opposed to the very principles and party which that flag represents.        They just speak from emotion defending it and flying it never given 10 minutes to look it up and which party it represents.   
      This is the same intelligence comparing a bay dog to that of a July
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2020, 07:21:59 am »

I’m not waisting anymore of my time reading tour gibberish any more Dean, your so full of yourself and your style of dogs to the point your blinded by your own “enlightenment”, way I was raised and the sticks I call home you had better back what you say with how you play, again the invitation is still open to come show me how ineffective my style of dogs are, I’ve invited you time and time again and never any type of response, if I were so confident in my style of dogs as you are I’d jump at the opportunity to go and prove it, I used to have some respect for you but after reading the first paragraph of your last comment, that has gone out the window, of a a fella has to result in insults in his rebuttals that just shows the depth of his character and morals, once again come run your dogs and not your mouth, and while your here we can have us a personal IQ test to see who understands what, I’m pretty well versed in that area as well Mr. Professor, it’s easy to sit and talk about it but another thing to show up and be about it, until then what you say and claim is nothing more than an opinion and they are like as$ holes and elbows, everybody has them, don’t reply with how great your dogs are in YOUR region, bring those superior swine stoppers to my stomping grounds and teach us a thing or two, your dogs and that style are a specialty tool, like a standard wrench, designed to fit one type of application, mine are more like a crescent wrench that can be used in multiple types of ways, don’t believe me just call my bluff, I’m not scared to back my play and hit the hwy to show in the flesh what I say...


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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2020, 07:29:37 am »

Goose you must've been reading my mind.

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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2020, 12:24:04 pm »


    I just shake my head in thinking to myself these probably the same people flying the confederate flag and the Trump 2020 flag side by side.

      They vote republican and love Trump yet fly the democrate flag lol.   Fools! 
   
    For the ones that didn't get it, the confederate flag waving Republican is an analogy to the people claiming their dogs are like the run to catch July. 

    For those of you that truly do and recognize the confederate flag as the democrat flag, the flag of the segregstionists, the flag that represented the people fighting to enslave others and deny them equality, freedom, equal rights and GOD given liberties.

   For you that recognize this and fly the American flag and know the confederate flag is that of the democrat legacy and party, i mean no offense to you in my analogy given earlier.

     So many fly that flag and stand opposed to the very principles and party which that flag represents.   

     They just speak from emotion defending it and flying it never given 10 minutes to look it up and which party it represents.   
     

  Maybe you should take a break from handing down the gospel about dogs and take 5 minutes to research the careers of politicians like Strohm Thurmond and Jesse Helms

  Then you would understand that American history is a bit more complicated than what the internet would have you believe.
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2020, 04:03:06 pm »

I’m not waisting anymore of my time reading tour gibberish any more Dean, your so full of yourself and your style of dogs to the point your blinded by your own “enlightenment”, way I was raised and the sticks I call home you had better back what you say with how you play, again the invitation is still open to come show me how ineffective my style of dogs are, I’ve invited you time and time again and never any type of response, if I were so confident in my style of dogs as you are I’d jump at the opportunity to go and prove it, I used to have some respect for you but after reading the first paragraph of your last comment, that has gone out the window, of a a fella has to result in insults in his rebuttals that just shows the depth of his character and morals, once again come run your dogs and not your mouth, and while your here we can have us a personal IQ test to see who understands what, I’m pretty well versed in that area as well Mr. Professor, it’s easy to sit and talk about it but another thing to show up and be about it, until then what you say and claim is nothing more than an opinion and they are like as$ holes and elbows, everybody has them, don’t reply with how great your dogs are in YOUR region, bring those superior swine stoppers to my stomping grounds and teach us a thing or two, your dogs and that style are a specialty tool, like a standard wrench, designed to fit one type of application, mine are more like a crescent wrench that can be used in multiple types of ways, don’t believe me just call my bluff, I’m not scared to back my play and hit the hwy to show in the flesh what I say...




    Clearly your feelings are hurt because I haven't taken you up on your invite.    If I want to go somewhere different and hunt its might right to choose not yours.      I have posted many many pictures that back up what I say.    Not 1 person like you has ever posted a picture proving you have a dog capable of  finding, catching, and controlling a big boar without help from another dog in some aspect of the hunt.    I supply so much evidence yet you supply non to counter it or to prove you have a dog that are same as i do.    You just get your feelers hurt because we have never hunted together.   Like I'm violating your rights or something.     I dont care or want to accept ever offer I get to come hunt.    I do some but majority I don't.  I have my own ranches to take care of.         You are so selfish and huge ego getting your feelings hurt because I haven't gotten around to hunting with you yet.    Usually people come hunting as guests with me if they really want to see things for themselves.   You, you want me to come to you then cry about it because it hasn't happened yet.  Then you believe that is some sort of proof  i don't have dogs that hunt the way they do dispite the many many pictures I have posted as hard evidence.  I offered up a challenge back then for people like you to offer same evidence since people like you like to claim my dogs are nothing special.     Well if they are not so unique, where is your supporting evidence?    Your only supporting evidence is so weak that your best evidence is i havent come to hunt with you lol.  How lame and childish.        Now that you have shown yourself to have such an ego and be so childish and self centered, you can forget about me wanting to share a hunt with you.      I  don't associate or care to surround myself with such self centered hot tempered people.       You get offended and upset when something comes along that you don't have that does something you can't.    You sound like one of these guys that always claiming your dogs found the pig first when your dog shows to be 300 yards back behind you and the bay is 500 in front.   Your one of those people its starting to sound like to me based on your ego and lack of evidence to support your claims.   
       Again the July article clearly defined Run to Catch which distinguished it from other breeds like the ones you run.  Yet yall started claiming yalls dogs are just like that and then changed the definition to include the pack instead of just 1 dog.   The July article said the july was created because of the inefficiency  of the pack.    You pack guys then started comparing your packs to the July.  Haha. I think someone once coined that as kennel blindness.   The July article defined run to catch and spent a considerable amount of the article explaining it at the same time distinguishing the dog from bay dogs and pack dog or dogs that fit somewhere in the pack in order to catch its prey.         The July article is about dogs that don't rely on other dogs in any way shape form or fashion and get things done in a much much more efficient and shorter manner do to its mentality that shapes the way the very way it hunts and what drives it.         The entire article was saying the July is not like your dogs and thoroughly explained why.    Yall held that article up and said yep, my pack is just like this.    Kennel blindness.     
   Now you goose deny that this type of pig dogs exists.   Simply because you haven't ever seen it with your own eyes.     Seen it in the many pictures i have posted on here to prove it in both woods and fields but still deny the existence of them and say there is nothing special about such dogs despite you not being able to produce just a tiny bit of evidence to support your your position that they are not by sharing evidence of your dogs doing the same. 
    You are so high on yourself that you think I am obligated to bring a dog to where ever you are at and show you and until I do my dogs don't exist.    How arrogant and self centered and egotistical.       


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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2020, 04:12:50 pm »

Your pictures proved your dogs work where you hunt but the point others made is that until you prove it with boots on the ground in their area they are not going to believe that your superdogs will out produce what they are hunting. Until you show proof to skilled dogmen on their turf you are nothing but a keyboard warrior.  Simple as that, put up or shutup.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2020, 08:15:25 pm »

Your pictures proved your dogs work where you hunt but the point others made is that until you prove it with boots on the ground in their area they are not going to believe that your superdogs will out produce what they are hunting. Until you show proof to skilled dogmen on their turf you are nothing but a keyboard warrior.  Simple as that, put up or shutup.





   I've already done that.   I've hunted with several people across the state.  Also my dogs are hunting in several other states.  Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and some are  killing coyotes in the panhandle of Texas.   
        You think I need to go hunt with every person that says come hunt with them and prove my dogs?     I've already put in that work.  Just because your friends weren't some of the people I hunted with doesn't mean I've not done it many times.     Speaking of,  you told me you were going to come here to Texas on one of your little yearly trips and make a hunt with me.  It was you that didn't show my friend.        Your failure to show is not my fault  and further provides proof to my willingness to show this type dog.          You have no one to blame but yourself for you yourself not having a first hand account of my dogs.            If you denie this I'm sure j can prove it with the PMs  I have on here.           So many people think they have such hard places to hunt that they have the only dogs that can catch pigs there.    I guess their pugs are special too for no other pigs but those can live there.    People are so silly.   There is nothing special about catching pigs where pigs are.    My goodness, if your dogs can't catch pigs here there and everywhere then your dogs suck
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2020, 10:06:50 pm »

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