deer lease hog dog hunt, have you talked to the land owner?

[txmaverick]

While on the phone with kevin last evening, something came to mind.

I hear more and more everyday that someone got a deer lease in the hill country and they invited a friend with hog dogs to come "run them out".

I only bring this up since I live in the hill country and hunt here both for hog and deer. None of my land owners that do season leases would allow the lease hunters to bring in someone with dogs other than me.

My dad who has season leased forever would run the lease hunter off that brought in dog hunters.

So my question is..................have times just changed and in my world we are behind or do the land owners actually get asked before bringing in a friend with dogs?

I know i would be PISSED to no end if I found out someone else brought dogs in on a ranch I hunted just cause they were a "lease hunter" and if the land owner allowed it then we would have to have a talk about why.

Just curious what the rest of the world thinks. THis in no way is directed at kevin.

[txmaverick]

wow no comments or thoughts, thought for sure someone would at least disagree with me on some point here

[Mike]

I would be pissed if it were a place I have exclusive rights on from the land owner.

There's a lot of ranches we've hunted also, with the land owner or ranch manager, but don't have exclusives on... they take other dog hunters also, but none go without them.

But if i'm taking on a property for hog removal, then yes, I get exclusive rights for running dogs... in writing.

[txmaverick]

No one up here will do it in writing and if you demand it you will most likely get run off, but a handshake and man's word is worth it all here in the hill country.

That being said there are several that let anyone run dogs that wants to without them present, first come first to turn loose. I dont hunt those places nor do I share places with anyone. I hunt with several people that have thier own places to hunt just like I have my own. Even the ranches I hunt that the landowners go with me are exclusive mostly because I was the first one to say, "hey yall come go with me".

What I am seeing is that a lease hunter thinks he/she has the right to do whatever they want including inviting dog hunters in without talking to the land owner.

[scdogman]

Seems to be a "leased hunter" is paying money and should have some rights.  Are you paying to remove hogs from the lease?  It all boils down to what you work out with the land owner.  I am on a lease and would not join one if I could not run my dogs.  Actually, I would be pissed if I paid money and was not allowed to run dogs and someone that didn't pay was running dogs for free.



Dogman  out. 

[Mike]

Then the lease hunters need to get their rules squared away with the land owner if that's the case.

I know leases around here in East Texas are all different. Some are year round and allow memebers to run dogs. Some re-lease the dog hunting rights after deer season is over... hogs, coons, etc... I know of a few that don't even allow dogs, period, and are over run with hogs. Then you have those lease managers that keep the hog hunting rights for them and their buddies only... while the deer hunters pay all the money to the timber companies that own them.

[txmaverick]

Most leases here are season leases, deer season only and nothing more, you pay to hunt deer during deer season that is it. You can kill all the hogs you want but I dont know of a lease in this area that would allow a lease hunter to bring dogs, well now I know of one, the one Kevin went to.

Why would I pay to remove hogs from any place?

I only bring this up cause I hear more and more, hey we got a deer lease bring the dogs, but then the land owner doesnt want dogs.

Mike is right the rules need to be squared away dont just asume anything.

[TX HOG]

my lease is year round hunting. dogs are allowed when its not deer season. i can bring a few friends to help. thats in writting. i got on that lease to hog hunt and could care less about deer. id be pissed if i couldnt go hunt anytime i wanted after i paid all that money

[catchrcall]

my situation is nearly the same as TX HOG.  I got the approval of the leased hunters and  landowner before I ran my dogs on the lease.  They are in favor of it, none of them like the hogs.  I am allowed to bring guests, but was told "we don't want it turning into a big party."  I think that is pretty reasonable.  The only time I can't run dogs is during deer season.

[LionandBoarHunter]

in my opinoin i respect the land owners they dont have to let anybody on there place but when they lease land out to hunters i think the hunters are the one payin all that money so they ought to be able to do what they want during deer season whether they run dogs shoot deer or hogs turkey rabbit birds squirels ....... its there lease if the hunter and land owners agree so i just stay off the land during hunting season because all it usually does is cause problems plus i dont pay chit to hunt the hogs i have 6 or 7 places i can hunt during deer seaon that does not have anybody there so thats where i hunt and keeps me out of trouble with the land owners and hunter because that is most of the ranchers main income around here

[scdogman]

My lease is like TX hog.  It's a year round lease.  Before I joined, i told them my plan to run dogs and it was welcomed.  I could care less about deer.  I usually get hype, but lose interest after I shoot the first deer.(buck or doe).  In all the years of being there, I have not put my dogs on the ground until after Jan.  It might change this year because I got a big piece of the place all to myself.

But it is like everyone has stated.  It is all what is worked out in the begining.



  

[JLH]

Well I guess Im like Mike said I have 10000 acreas that me and the president are the only ones that are allowed to dog hunt. But on that same note any of my leasee are allowed to tag along. I also make sure that is understood up front and they sign a paper staing just that. It is a lot of head ache running a lease so that is our way of getting back some of what we give

just my 2 cents

[Txhoghunter]

It seems to me a place leased year-round with all hunting rights, you shouldnt have to ask the landowner to take dogs out there(outside of deer season) A seasonal lease I could understand having to contact the landowner. 

[Bryant]

It really just depends on what the agreement is between the owner and leasee.  I've been on both ends of the equation...been the lessor and the leasee.

So many times the leasee thinks they have "rights" and will try to throw some weight around just because they've fronted some cash.  What they often don't realize is that within the last ten or so years there has become such a demand for leased hunting property that an owner will honestly have zero problem getting someone to take your place should you not want to play by the rules.  Trust me...your money really isn't that valuable.

I don't care whether I'm paying money to be there or not, anytime I'm on someone's property that's not my own I consider it a privilege to be there.  Keeping that attitude hasn't got me into trouble yet.

[Monteria]

Can't we all just get along? 

Seriously, just a little discretion from both sides of the equasion would make things much more ammicable between us and the brush goat shooters......

Regardless of the landowners, this kind of crap is totaly uncalled for from either side! http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112442

Steve

[txmaverick]

now some good points.............and in some ways most are right

it all comes back to what did they agree on, in my area very very few have a year round lease

In one case some season lease hunters tried to tell the land owner that he needed to manage his cows better during deer season because they had to open and close to many gates.

I talked to one of my land owners last night who has 5000 acers he does a season lease only, they can come up 3 times a year outside deer season. They can kill only, deer, hogs and turkey; they can not bring dogs of any kind, can not kill exotics. This is the way most of the leases here in my area are set up including my dads. But he did say one of his hunters last year demanded he get rid of any and all axis deer on the ranch.............the land owner said ok how much you paying for them and when will you be here to take them course that didnt go over good.

I guess I am to much like my dad and like someone else said on here if they dont like it they can leave there is 10 waiting for every one that leaves now days, the demand is higher now than it has ever been.

[Dirtydog]

it is totaly up to the agreement between the land owner and the leasee. should be known to landowner what is going on, on their property.

[elliscountyhog]

I lease my places for deer and HOGS YEAR ROUND, and i can take those animals by ANY legal means

[lonewolf]

Most of the leases here in South Central Oklahoma are year long with basicaly all hunting rights includeed! The places that ask me to remove hogs either don't lease their deer hunting or it only a season lease, our deer seasons are short compared to Texas' deer season. The places I hog hunt I am the exclusive hunter. There's lots of public hunting around here where I don't hunt so the guys that don't have prvate land to hunt still have plenty of hunting.

[Bump]

Agree...it is definitely a decision by the landowner. Communicate and inform the lease hunters as well as the dog hunters.

My area is full of deer hunters. Many of the leases are year around. Some land owners ask I dont hunt during season, some dont care and some do not inform their hunters. I choose not to hunt during season out of respect for the paying hunters.

Most deer hunters dont realize that dogs will not effect the deer hunting and in most cases improve the deer hunting. They believe dogs run deer off and they disappear into thin air.

It is the uneducated deer hunters and disrespectful doggers that cause problems.