Breeding Methods To Tighten Blood

[Reuben]

Austin…
If these black dogs were mine I would look really hard at the sire and dam of the future puppies…I would also look very hard at the sire and dams parents and grandparents and then make a decision based on that information as to which side to breed most from…if you like the sire side best then breed more towards his side and vise-versa…

I would also keep what I think are the best 3 or 4 pups for as long as possible…testing nose, ranging and other traits…cut back a pup at 4 months another at 6 and again at 8 months…by then you will probably have a really nice pup…

Females are great to keep for breeding…but you can use a male more often in the breeding pen…

The idea is to get several more generations of top dogs…if you select properly and see that there are a high percentage of good pups in each litter then it is time to move to the next generation for breeding…

The idea here is that you evolved to the next generations in a short time period…
At that time you look back at the pedigree and it will be stacked with top dogs…

I call that purifying the bloodline…once you get to that point there is no reason to turn the dogs over…just breed the same dogs when you need more pups…otherwise you will breed yourself into a corner and will need an outcross…that is when a male comes in handy…outcross a male with the best credentials to a female somewhat related with excellent credentials and pick a pup to breed back into your line or if more pups are available breed to the best of those…a bigger choice for selecting a breeder is nice to have available to you…

Your breeding program can only be as good as you select…training correctly to bring out the best is just as important…the wrong training can ruin a top quality pup and a great opportunity just passed a breeder by…
Knowing what a good hunting dog is is the first thing to know when breeding better dogs…and having a solid plan on what and why to breed is important to know as well…

Many breeders will have 4 generations in 20 years…if done right you can have 3 generations on one side and 4 or the other side in five years…and you will be producing a high percentage of good pups…

I bred a line of dogs in this way back when I was younger…

Austin…sorry about the Cash dog…hopefully some good pups will be available from him…what I mapped out for you will work with those pups and the others you have…

[Austesus]

Reuben, thank you for all of the tips. Mine is definitely pregnant, she’s pretty swole up now and should be dropping pups at the very end of this month. I’m hoping she throws a whole pile of them! The last litter that I raised (my red dogs I’ve been running lately) will be a year old on the 9/10. That was my first litter that I raised and I did a lot of research and studying before hand, and I worked with them a lot as young pups. I got a pretty decent handle on them, socialized them well, and had lots of trips to the creek by house to get them roaming the woods and learning when they were just little pups. They have good blood behind them as well but so far the two males I kept are the best young dogs I’ve had. They are really really impressing me. Even got some compliments on how well mannered they are around strange dogs and riding in the box. I plan to do a lot of the same things with this litter to try and set them off in the right direction from the time they are born


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[Austesus]

Well fellas, I had pups hit the ground some time yesterday (9/20/21). I got home around 2pm and she had already had all but one of them. I think they actually came a few days early. Two black females were already dead when I saw them and they looked a little small so I think they were stillborn. Ended
Up with 3 black males, 3 black females, and 1 yella female. One of the black females was born after I got my first count, and she looks to be the runt. I’m hoping that all of them will survive and be healthy! They have some big shoes to fill






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[t-dog]

They look good and healthy bud. I wish you the best with them.


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[Cajun]

Yep, They look good.

[Austesus]

Unfortunately I lost a male pup. My wife called me and said it was out in the middle of the pen dead. She doesn’t seem to be doing real good with them now. They’re not feeding much and she has laid on them several times. I moved her in the house to watch them better and am getting some milk formula to try and supplement


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[Austesus]

After talking with Justin, I’m sure that she has Mastitis in almost all of her teats. I’m trying to supplement some bottle feeding now but it’s not looking good. The runt is on the edge of dying, probably any time now. And one of the last two males left is looking rough


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[Austesus]

Prognosis is she definitely has Mastitis in all tits. She’s now 100% separated and on amoxicillin, and I’m hand raising the puppies inside. Anybody got any tips? I’ve never had to hand raise pups. So far I’ve got bottles and the milk formula, feeding them every 2.5 hours and trying to keep them bundled up and warm. I had two that spit milk out of their nose which worries me about fluid in the lungs and pneumonia. Online it said they might be drinking too fast so I’m only letting them get a few sips at a time and then waiting a minute before giving them a few more. The runt did die on me this morning so I am down to 5 survivors.


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[t-dog]

I’ve honestly always let Mother Nature have her way. I figure she knows something I don’t and if it’s meant to be it will be. I hate it for you. I wish you the best. I will say this, if it was me I would probably try to raise them on goats milk. Seems like you can raise anything on goats milk without the complications that other milks or replacements can cause. It might show up
later when they go to b-a-a-a-a-y.


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[Reuben]

Austin…the dam will lick the pups bottoms to stimulate the pups to urinate and poop…so you will need to do this if she is not available to do this…you can simulate her licking with a warm wet cloth…good luck on raising them…

[t-dog]

I’m glad you clarified that Reuben. I don’t think he wants them bad enough to do the licking himself.


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[Austesus]

Lol thanks for the help guys. I got in the vet late this morning and they confirmed it was mastitis. I started her on amoxicillin last night and they said to keep on that and have them separate. Since then I also lost the weaker male. He died on me about an hour ago. The last 4 look fairly strong though still dehydrated. I’m bottle feeding them small amounts every 2-2.5 hours as well as using unscented baby wipes to make them pee and poop. I’ve now got a heating pad covered in a towel underneath them now to keep them warm. Really hoping these last 4 will pull through. Only one male, if he dies I have no options but to outcross which I did not want to do for another few generations. I’m praying all 4 will survive


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[WayOutWest]

I haven't bottle raised myself but my friends that have got bottles with a tube out the top and slipped it down the throat and squeezed it in for the first week to 10 days. They don't have a gag reflex for awhile. Have to make sure you don't get in the lungs. It is much quicker this way. Good luck with them.

[Austesus]

WayOutWest, I had a friend recommend that too but I’ve already had a scare with milk bubbling back out the nose so I’m just gonna take my time with a syringe and go slow. So far my 4 survivors are doing okay, still staying steady on feeding them 2.5ml of formula every 2-2.5 hours and keeping them warm.


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[The Old Man]

My wife has  helped several large litters by bottle feeding them a couple of times a day, weve never completely raised any on the bottle, but she has had real good luck helping them with goats milk and a regular old fashioned baby bottle with a small enough hole that if held upside down would just drip every few seconds so that they have to suck and swallow, and sort of put them in a natural nursing position which helps them not to strangle and ingest milk into their lungs. Wish you good fortunes with them.

[Austesus]

Thank you old man (I believe it’s Clue, right?), so far the 4 survivors are doing okay. The male still seems a little dehydrated based on his skin, but I’ve been strict on getting them fed every 2-2.5 hours. I’m sleeping on the couch beside them and have stayed at home the last few days. I’m praying for this male to make it. If he does, I can take him back to his mom, his half sister that I have, or one of the females from this litter. That will at least give me more dogs to work with and hopefully get me out of this corner. If the male doesn’t make it then I have no choice but to outcross, which I did not want to do for several more generations since there are no males with this blood alive and I would have to go completely unrelated. All of that is if course on the basis that these pups perform as expected. The one surviving dog bred off of this female is a nice dog and they have an all star team in their background, so I’m hoping they all survive and make worthy dogs.


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[t-dog]

Austesus, wether these pups work out or not, if I were you, I’d be looking that out cross that was going to help get me where I need to be any way. Your starting point with these dogs is obviously not the most favorable and has little to no room for error. You might actually accomplish and get where you’re wanting to be quicker and easier than waiting. You gotta remember that very limited number of brood stock is already working against you. Not only that but the uncertainty of how the offspring are going to turn out. And if that isn’t enough Father Time is against you. If you can find the right family of dogs to cross to, not an individual dog, it increases your odds of success in my opinion. Then no matter what you are fortunate enough to raise out of this litter you already have your next breeding lined up. Those pups would be half your line. Breeding the F1 back to your family increases it to 3/4 and so on.  The other thing is you should definitely get ash collected so that when he’s gone or no
longer able to reproduce, you have it available. I speak from experience when I tell you that you will be glad you did it. Mine isn’t ancient but she isn’t gonna be around forever and as you well know, freak accidents happen. Get what you can out of her. That in itself sounds like it may be a challenge judging by this litter. If so you are down one more resource and need to have cash available even worse. This is all my opinion of course but I’ve been exactly where you are. I’m there now with my bulldogs. I’ll never have the pure old family again but I can at least have that blood in the dogs I’m rebuilding.


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[Austesus]

T-Dog,

I wish Cash would’ve been collected. He died several weeks after this breeding. We had a bad heat spell here and he had a heat stroke on a hog before anyone could get to him. That is a good tip about breeding to an outcross from a family instead of a single dog, the hard thing is that I don’t know of anybody that breeds cur dogs anywhere near close to local. Nobody around here line breeds or inbreeds for whatever reason. I always have my eyes open but have yet to come across it. On the outcross, I was thinking that it would play out better to make the outcross after the blood is tightened up, so let’s say for example I use a female from this litter and take her to my long legged red dog if he keeps progressing and finishes out nice. That dog is obviously scatter bred, but he would hopefully bring in more leg and size which is the main thing I would want to add. These black dogs don’t need anything added to get it done, they have produced many hogs for anyone that has had a chance to own them, but I personally favor longer legged dogs. So if I made that cross, and then selected a pup that took after the black dogs except he also had some more leg, and then I bred him back in to the black dogs, I would essentially dilute the outcross blood while retaining the longer leg trait if I continued to keep the longer legged pups, correct?

If that’s the case, would I be better to do that, or take the outcross male to Mine and then select a pup off of that, to breed back in to her or to this litter? I guess what I’m getting at is which methods would be better from a genetic view? This litter has no outside blood introduced since Bo and Black Betty, so what I’m trying to piece together in my head is the best way to make more branches so that I’m not in a corner, while also trying to breed heavy towards that cross. I know that Mr. Bob Owens and several others had great luck breeding heavy towards the Big Boy and Blondie cross, so that is what got my mind thinking about trying to lean heavy towards a cross that has clicked and clearly produced nice dogs. The Bo x Black Betty cross was apparently a good one because a lot of outstanding dogs have come from it, and I’m hoping the Cash x Mine cross will double down on that and have the same results. The one dog I have off of Mine’s first litter is a really nice dog. More of a RCD because Mine was accidentally bred to my catch dogs brother so the offspring Punk is 3/4 bulldog, but she is a little hammer and has lots of drive and stays busy in the woods. I’m hoping that is a sign that these pups will come out good too. I’m hoping that Mine turns out to be a solid producer. Even if I have to hand raise another litter, I’ll be prepared for it and will deal with it to further the dogs until I have another female to breed on.


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[The Old Man]

You can help your milk problem in the future by giving the female a couple of cc's of a good penicillin sub-Q every 3rd or fourth day beginning a couple of weeks prior to whelping. A real long time ago I had the same trouble with a female two times in a row, didn't try to bottle feed them and lost them all, then and an old dog man told me how to remedy it and next litter she had a basket full and raised them all, all the Curdogs I have today go to that female multiple times. I don't know if it really worked or was coincidence but it lined up and was successful anyway. At worst it is harmless to try next breeding.

[The Old Man]

Oh, and yes I am Clue.