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[Semmes]

I ain’t got tapatalk or I’d post pics sometimes. Heck I ain’t even got a computer or a tv for last 11-12 years. Lol

But from what I see this about how it goes.
The dilute gene ‘dd’ has the be inherited from both sire and dam.

I guess with as long as you have been doing it and as many dogs you have produced and reproduced you got it bout nailed down where the dilute comes from?

I’m working with very few dogs if limited pool and at snails pace.

But interested in keeping track for myself

http:// [url]https://risingphoenixheritagefarm.com/farm-blog/understanding-blue-fawn-genetics[url]

[Cajun]

Yes, The Maltese gene is recessive. It is a diluted black. The buckskin gene is also recessive. I have not had a Malltes in about 20-25 years and in both cases I bred this female out to outside males and both times she threw Maltese. So she defintely carries the gene.

[t-dog]

When you get those Maltese and buckskin dogs, is there a noticeable difference in them from your usual dogs. Are they made different, do they have have different noses, different hunt, more or less grit, etc. If there aren’t any noticeable differences why don’t more people try to breed for it? Just a curiosity.


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[Cajun]

T dog You are hitting on a sore subject. There is no difference in the dogs no matter what the color, they are still Plotts. Back in the early days when Plotts were first registered buckskins were allowed. People started breeding buckskin to buckskin just so they could sell buckskins. As you know anytime dogs are bred for just color the ability starts going downhill. When you breed two recessive genes together you will mostly get that color. There are a few exceptions tho. Al ot of times if you breed to Maltese together you will get skin problems. Kind of like breeding a double merle together you might get deaf or blind dogs.
  AKC always registered the buckskins as it should be. Most hunters I know are going to breed for ability first. One of the best Plotts I have had was a Buckskin. Also one of the best Plotts I had threw Buckskins. The Maltese color has always been in the breed also. Now UKC accepts any solid color, Black, Maltese or Buckskin.
  Thanks for the kind words on the dogs.

[Cajun]

Plus...I guess he the rowdy annoying one in the bunch since he the only one wearing the bark collar!?! Lol

  Most of them are pretty quiet because they know I'll get on to them if they bark but I have a 25 acre training pen that is only 50 yards from where I keep the dogs. that stupid hog will walk the fence line right before dark and set them all off. Mostly when I holler at them they shut up or else. That pup has not quite learned what shut up means. lol

[t-dog]

That makes sense to me. My dogs come many colors and combos being the cross that they are. They are usually the same except for the wrapper though. I know it’s somewhat different while at the same time very similar, but my dad has a family of chickens that are a really old family and once in a while you get a solid white one. The old man he got them from started breeding white to white and started another family off of those. Nearly everything about the white ones was different. They performed different, build was somewhat different, and even their nature was different. That’s why I asked about the Maltese and buckskins because I was wondered. Thanks for the explanation.

By the way, do you think one of the four you posted for examples of ear is better than the others? The last one I think is a female and while they are all nice, she’s pretty hard to beat on build and looks for my taste. The first one looks pretty young still in that picture.


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[Cajun]

When I started I thought Plotts were the sorriest breed out there. I just could not find one to suit me and the biggest problem was finding one that would stay bayed by there self. I tried several Weems bred dogs and they just did not have it. Finally tried some Weems dogs from Jody and donna Hill from Hempstead, Tx. What a difference. Nose, Speed and grit. That's when I found out there is Weems and then there is WEEMS. I had gotten some Swampland bred dogs and they had everything I wanted. The Weems were more hyper, leggier and the swampland dogs were more muscular and laid back. They were all business when you turned them loose tho. I got a Buckskin male from Joe Hudson (Shamrock breeding) and he had it all. Joe's dogs are probably 75% Weems bred off the Butch x Jill cross and Weems Doc with some Timber thrown in there.
  I have bred them all back and forth and to this day I still get leggy dogs and some will have more muscle on them but they all run about the same
  Out of those three strains I have had certain dogs that I bred around. All this started about 38 years ago with the Plotts.
  Just remember this. A great dog has no bad color and a sorry dog comes in all colors. lol

[Semmes]

Good stuff Cajun!

[Semmes]

Also t-dog, love hearing the anecdotal stuff that comes from animal breeding and experience

[t-dog]

Just 30 minutes ago a friend called me about American bulldogs. He said he found someone in Georgia that had Scott’s bred dogs. He said ALL their dogs came from Alan. My words to him were “they may have his blood but it doesn’t mean they have his dogs”! I totally get what you mean when you say there are Weems dogs and then there are WEEMS dogs. I doesn’t take but a couple generations for dogs become different from how they were originally. That was another lesson my dad taught me with chickens. He said 5 people could buy the same family of chickens from the same man and in just a few generations you would likely have 5 new versions of the original version because people have different taste, different standards, a different eye, and different abilities. This has definitely been true in the dogs as well.


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[Semmes]

That’s dirty....you are baiting me lol

[Semmes]

I’ll just post this here, it is from a series of yard tapes from Billy Hines in Texas.

This is early 90’s. They can be found on YouTube.

This guy thought ‘old man’ Alan was long dead lol.

Homes blood became some of the ‘best’ standard ab blood though the breedings and peds were questionable at best considering he was just a dog peddler.

Alan had been in a long enough hiatus from the breed he was considered ‘long dead’.

In actuality Alan probably younger than bill hines.

Alan came back and acquired some dogs from Hines breeding once the breed became popular.

Alan has always been nice to me and I consider him a friend but this historical folklore thing is nuts to me.

https://youtu.be/2mRNSvNnThE

[Semmes]

If there was anybody that was the progenitor of the ab it would be Colby probably since white or piebald Bulldogs were the most popular breed of dog throughout America
in the 1920’s

All the ancestors after that are just that either ancestors, or composites containing other breeds just breed to be bigger and usually still white.

Whole darn thing is a farce

[Semmes]

To piggy back cajun’s narrative about folks breeding the buckskin for plotts.

That is the ab in a nutshell.

Bulldogs bred to be white and the biggest they could get em no matter what they crossed.

[Semmes]

Not to say some good things didn’t come of the experiment...

All my dogs go back to this dog and she was a very good dog.

You can see they all go back to Billy Hines so I ain’t hatin just keeping it real

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=866557-manors-preachin-to-the-choir-of?_v=20170517233138

[Reuben]

Just 30 minutes ago a friend called me about American bulldogs. He said he found someone in Georgia that had Scott’s bred dogs. He said ALL their dogs came from Alan. My words to him were “they may have his blood but it doesn’t mean they have his dogs”! I totally get what you mean when you say there are Weems dogs and then there are WEEMS dogs. I doesn’t take but a couple generations for dogs become different from how they were originally. That was another lesson my dad taught me with chickens. He said 5 people could buy the same family of chickens from the same man and in just a few generations you would likely have 5 new versions of the original version because people have different taste, different standards, a different eye, and different abilities. This has definitely been true in the dogs as well.


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Your dad is a smart man…

[TheRednose]

T dog You are hitting on a sore subject. There is no difference in the dogs no matter what the color, they are still Plotts. Back in the early days when Plotts were first registered buckskins were allowed. People started breeding buckskin to buckskin just so they could sell buckskins. As you know anytime dogs are bred for just color the ability starts going downhill. When you breed two recessive genes together you will mostly get that color. There are a few exceptions tho. Al ot of times if you breed to Maltese together you will get skin problems. Kind of like breeding a double merle together you might get deaf or blind dogs.
  AKC always registered the buckskins as it should be. Most hunters I know are going to breed for ability first. One of the best Plotts I have had was a Buckskin. Also one of the best Plotts I had threw Buckskins. The Maltese color has always been in the breed also. Now UKC accepts any solid color, Black, Maltese or Buckskin.
  Thanks for the kind words on the dogs.

Well said Cajun, breeding for coat color and eye color is the beginning of the end for a working breed.

Merle coat color and colored eyes all but ruined Catahoulas (though there are definitely still some real good ones out there if you know where to look), and the merle coat color is now ruining the American Leopard Cur (Leopard Hound). I can see why registries would not let certain colors be registered because they had the foresight to see what certainly would come after the dog peddlers and fur mommies start breeding for that certain color, though having to think like that sucks and it shouldn't be that way.

On FB a couple of months back I seen a litter of almost all Maltese pups (Registered Plotts), and it had over a 100 comments with people trying to get them with most of those being people that didn't hunt and just thought they were beautiful. Not bashing anyone but that is a bad sign for a hunting breed.

I have some very harsh stances on how registering and titling working breeds should be done but that would need to be a whole different thread lol.

[t-dog]

It’s not just plotts or leopards/Catahoulas that it’s happened with. I think the yella dogs and MANY more have taken the same hit. It doesn’t even have to be color. It’s like Cajun said, anytime you breed for one specific trait and are willing to sacrifice all the others to accomplish it, there can only be devastation in the future. I was talking to a friend about AB’s this morning and he said that everyone he called wanted 1200 + for pups. He said I can’t justify paying that for a dog that stands a chance of only getting to see a few hunts before they meet that wrong hog. I also can’t breed to something that I don’t know is going to work. So he started asking people why they were so high and telling them what he wanted them for. He pretty much started getting the same 2 answers. First one was because people were paying it and second was because very few of them were going to working homes. Most of them were just going to be pets. He told me it’s nearly impossible to find a good catch dog. I told him that sentiment seems to be nation wide. Likely for the same two reasons, that being too many people don’t know what good is which means junk gets bred to junk and the other is the dogs aren’t being used enough in working situations. I know this has gotten off track from ears but it’s still a good conversation, lol.


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[Cajun]

Dale Brandenburgers Pioneer Drum. The dog that started the bloodhound controversy. Dog weighed 90# and won the first Autumn Oaks Coonhunt.


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[t-dog]

Do you know or remember when that was Cajun?


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