EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

It won't be anytime soon. But I was just wondering, after my bambino pup ( Dogo) is proven and the female I'm getting is proven. I would like to get some pups out to people who will hunt them and show off what I hope will be some surenuff hog dogs. You will have to pick the pup up or arrange for the shopping. If the pup doesn't work out for you I would like for it to come back to me. Would like y'all's input on this idea.

If the pup doesn't work out, why not cull it?

What would you do with someone elses cull?

Yea I would like to try a dogo

Get the dog fixed and give it to someone as a pet.

So are you farming these pups out or selling them?

Most people are not gonna take the time to pay the shipping on a pup to get it back when it's a cull to pay for it to get fixed and then turn around and give it, NOT sell it to a person for a pet.  If so that's alot of money you're spending to further a breed most are using as a money maker, and that takes dedication.

These pups will be given away. No papers. Just shots

There will be some kind of contract that say they will pay for shipping or bring it to me if they no longer want it. If they don't like it then they can go somewhere else.

Aren't you in south La. I would be interested to try it. They are suppose to be RCD and I currently run a ridgeback Pitt that is a RCD. I have never hunted with one but have wanted to since I started reading on them. So if I decide to do so I would like to be considered.

South Florida is where I'm at. And ours are used as running catch dogs and do a pretty good job of it.

i could try one! An tell yall how the dogs are in the woods with updates  . i have more then 5 places to hunt now and the 100
+woods at my house backes up to the forest land in louisana so miles of woods .. im willing to try one will give to pup the t l c.  i dont have but 3 dogs right now but will see if there true hunting line if they will trail good an wind as while :) ..

South Florida. Hmm long ways but I could probly do it for a tag a long  while I'm there. Lol

I would like to be considered. I enjoyed the drive down to imokelee (sp?) a few years ago.

That's what I'm looking for! I want someone who will work the pup to the max and give me feed back!

People getting a pup would be more ten welcome to tag along

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This stupid phone is killin me lol

im a good dog trainer .  u could come hunt with him after i got him running in catching hogs or i'll come there an we could take my finish dog for a run just dont have much catching power right now..

I want one!!! I'll love it forever! I've always wanted one but can't afford them. I'm in school and am trying to narrow my pack down but id love to try one.

X2!!!

If they work out why would you not paper them?

I have had people, from up north where there is no hogs, send me Dogos and we both are on the papers, once the dog is proven, the agreement is that they either pay me for my time or give me full ownership. They keep the right to breed to them as well though, but that is a gentlemen's agreement between me and the person who sends me a dog.

Because I don't want people breeding them for big money. I just want people to hunt them. Im sick of people breeding them for money & for looks. But to each there own.

i dont want the breeding right . just a nut less dog or a fixed female they are more train able to join a pack an not have to worry about dog fights.

I'm like mud dog I don't care if its cut or not as long as I can get it to hunt. If I'm not selected for this I would like to see one up close hunt. Just to see with my own eyes what these dogs are or could be. With what I run now I think it would be an interesting addition.

The first person who got it would get the pup not cut. But if I got the pup back I would get it cut and give it to a pet only home. If you're ever down my way give me a shout and maybe we can work out a hunt

That's why I said "once the dog is proven"...

Not everyone breeds for money. Why would you not want a dog that is proven to be excellent, bred? If I recall, one of your first posts was about you wanting to breed Dogos to make money off of them, like your dad.

Fact of the matter is, if you want to help the Dogo, then proven dogs need to be registered and bred. That is why people send me their dogs in the first place, to prove them and make sure they are breeding (and registering) proven dogs.

The reason a majority of the Dogos are number 2, is because people are registering and breeding Dogos that are number 2. So why not register and breed Dogos that are proven?

I myself have no desire to breed and make money, I breed because I want better dogs than everyone else ( like to laugh at other people's pot kickers ;) jk). If I have a litter on my yard, none are leaving as 8 week old pups. Since I am striving for excellence, the dogs will be culled based on health first, then as they mature, looks will come into play. If they have faults, they will be culled, if I don't like their structure, weather it falls into the breed standard or not, they will be culled, then if they are not early starters (catching before six months) they will be culled, then once their teeth are set and they reach 9-10 mo old, they will really be sent through the ringer, and most will be culled... I will do it this way because I want the best and I want them to fall within the entire breed standard, including being able to find their own pig, and being good at it. Once I find which dogs are going to be "the best" and be breed worthy, the others (if there is anything left after the culling) will be givin to buddies of mine that will hunt the number 2 out of them and that I can easily keep track of... And yes, mine will be registered.

Take it from someone who has been there and done that. When I was younger, I got my first Dogo, and didnt register him because I didnt give a number 2 about papers, and really I still don't. I cared so little though, that I didnt even keep up with his puppy papers so that I could register him later. He was probably one of the best, if not the best, dog I ever owned. Since he wasn't registered, it limited my options on bitches, because fact of the mater is, people like registered dogs. People like to know where the dogs come from, blood lines ect ect. I bred that dog to one bitch and not breeding him more was one of the stupidest things I have ever done. I wish I would have bred him to a toy poodle, just to have more of his blood around. Now, although I'm lazy about it, I register my dogs. It's a great way to keep up with history and see what blood is really working, it also helps alot when your looking for another nice proven dog to breed to.

 The male I have now is very very nice, very proven, and registered, and I got people beating down my door to breed to him. He has covered two very nice proven bitches this year already, and covering a third when she comes in in the fall, and covering one of the bitches, that just had a litter, again on her next cycle. Not a single one of the pups are being sold, all being kept by me, the owners of the bitch, or being given to hunting homes of people we know and hunt with so we can go back and get the blood whenever we want, and all pups are being registered.

As much of an @$$ hole as I sound like, I'm just tryin to give some advice. A different perspective of "helpin" the Dogo. You can register the pups, just register them in your name. If someone thinks they have an excellent dog, come and see for yourself. If you think it's excellent too, let them breed it or you breed it and do your farm out system all over agian with a new generation of pups out of proven parents.

Just remember, not everyone is in it for the money.

In the beginning I was in it for the money whether I realized it or not. But I've really put a lot of thought into it and I would like to give some pups to people who hunt a lot and will push the Dogo to be a top notch hunting dog. I don't want any money for the pups. If they turn out to be good dogs I will make the same breeding and paper them. I do appreciate the advice you're giving me. I'm very young and I'm have a lot to learn.

That is the right thing to do Dodgegirl and I respect you for it.  Now if the Dogo became human aggressive I would have to put it down before I would let it go to a pet home.

I'll let you know how many Chica finds and catches this weekend!  ;)

Thanks, finally someone sees the good in this. I would certainly cull an aggressive Dogo no question asked. We rescued one once. Thought we could help her, but that was out of the question

Hey Dodgegirl. I'd be interested, i need something like a dogo in my situation. I dont mind paying shipping, and if it dont work out, I'll pay for shipping home. I'm more than happy to send u anything i have that you'd like to try out also. I have some jagds, jagd/ab cross, some bmc that are really showing interest.  Keep me in mind, i realize I'm way down on the list, caught this thread late! Good luck

Taylor, I don't know much about the Dogo standard, but wasn't Soco smaller than what the standard allows?

Even though I would rather have a runt, IF I was to ever consider one..

He was and that is an additional reason I didnt register him (which I still regret), I knew he was a runt when I got him. I'm not against breeding a Dogo that isn't within breed standard as far as  height/weight. You have to breed the best of what you have available when it comes to looks. I couldn't have asked for a better huntin dog than soco, but I just know, now that I have more available to me, I will be more strict when culling dogs on my yard. You have to start somewhere, and if I could just have socos for the rest of my life, I would be happy. But that isn't the case. When I did have soco, he was more of a necessity. like I said earlier, it's more of a passion now than anything. I am able to have more cur dogs and more catch dogs at this point in my life. For a while, it was just soco on my yard, then for another good while, it was just soco and lacy. I needed a Dogo, or a dog like a Dogo as far as how they are supposed to be hunting, to get the job done by myself.

I grew up bay and shoot and this whole catch dog thing was all new to me. Just happened to turn into my passion and hasn't cost me all this money that people are talkin about. The only expensive part about the Dogo for me has been proving them. Since I don't have 5 to run on the ground together, and I want to make sure they can get it done on their own, I have had some take some nasty blows when they are a long ways off. I dont hold my sogs back because they are an "investment". i hunt the number 2 out if them and send them theiugh the ringer to find out if the investment was good or not. But other than vet bills, nothing has been expensive, and it's been worth every penny. It's neat to know you have a dog that can do it all and do it all by themselves. I hope to put some dogs like this into other people's hands one day, and it not cost them an arm and a leg either, but no one will ever have the best off my yard, because I'm mainly breeding for myself.

Me and Brian are going to carry on socos blood, they are not registered, so they won't be culled for height weight. They are just being bred because they are bad ass hog dogs and they will be culled for poor conformation according to our standards, and culled if they dont make bad ass hog dogs. I'm going to just continue calling this line of dogs unicorns :).

not to derail this thread but I would love to see a couple pics of your jagd/ab crosses!

I find it kind of funny that you get onto me saying I'm not helping the breed. But you're breeding a Dogo who doesn't even meet the correct size. But to each there own. As long as your dog makes you happy at the end of the day that's all that matters.

Quote by dodgegirl. "I don't want any money for the pups. If they turn out to be good dogs I will make the same breeding and paper them. I do appreciate the advice you're giving me. I'm very young and I'm have a lot to learn.

What if some of the first ones you give away turn out to be the real deal? You wouldn't want them registered?

And you shouldn't feel TColt is "getting on you". He is just pointing some things out to you. And his Soco dog might have not met breed
standards but he WAS the real deal. Search back through past threads about him. You as a Dogo person will appreciate that dog.

I think it's awesome that his Dogo does it all. Sounds to me like he's got a jam up dog.

I'm sorry I was under the impression that you can register after the fact.....can you?

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Fixit, Yes, you can if you bother to keep the paper work needed to do it. I didnt even think to try and register the dog till he was four years old. Read earlier posts, I wasn't very  worried about paper work at the point in my life. Still ain't, but I think it does the breed justice if you produce jam up dogs and have the paperwork to prove what they are. Live and learn.

Dodgegirl. Didn't breed soco for Dogos, bred him for hog dogs. Actually never advertised him at stud what so ever, not that i would advertise any dog at stud, or even advertise puppies. I let my dogs performance speak for itself, and the rest takes care of itself. And Soco was bred to an AB, so they are just hog dogs with no pretty name to call them. They are still all white, and most would still refer to them as unicorns :), like I said, I'm strictly breeding that line to keep socos hog dog blood goin. Breeding a female that shows all of his traits to another male Dogo... For more hog dogs, not for more Dogos.

When I say I'm not against breeding a dog that does not confirm exactly to the breed standard, I do mean it. If there is a dog that is an inch taller than breed standard, but is an excellent dog in all other aspects, they deserve to be bred. Form follows function, and just because a dog doesn't have the exact breed standard for looks, doesn't mean it is not excellently comfomed either. Breed for hunt, health, temperament, disposition, conformation (angulation, structure, not height weight), then start thinking about looks, but always breed the best dogs you can and don't settle for sub par on the function, the form will follow.

I'm from Madison Florida , where are ya at in south Florida

I'm in Loxahatchee. Right next to west palm beach

What about this dog aggression issue, is this the dogs or line you will be breeding? Are "great bloodlines" dog aggressive with no hunt?

What happens when you send out these pups to people who don't know about this problem in this line of dogs.....and there is an accident and some of their good dogs are killed, or someone in the family is bitten.....

I see major problems that should not be reproduced.

wjat paperwork will I need? as it is I sold gyp(for personal reasons) and her paperwork went to buyer. still got male though and all his stuff..but kinda for same reasons I prop wont bother. gyp not proven as of late. and really I guess according to some other people my chuy will never be proven at my rate of hunting..but the experienced hunters who seen him hunt says hes good...

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I thought you were talkin about me rnot registering my old male.

Send me a PM, there are ways to speed up the "proving" process when you can't hunt all the time. Just not a public discussion.

Dog aggression does not equal human aggression...

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I agree Scott, but this line appears to have both and is very unstable, as seen below.

Both if those dogs are 6 feet under. And neither were bred. I'm starting with my own new Dogos. I would obviously never breed aggressive dogs. I have some common sense

That female dog you're referring to was a Dogo we saved from the pound. She was spayed, and even if she wasn't she would never have been bred. If you would read the first post I said my new pup bambino and the female I will be getting. So there's no need to bring up old dogs.

I once heard that in commercial meat production chicken houses a chicken with a bad sore spot on it will get singled out by the other chickens and they'll peck that sore spot till that spotted chicken dies. Crazy.  :D

Joking.

Anyway, I agree with the other fellas and know that while they are upsetting you right now, I Firmly believe they do so with the best of intentions.


I've had lots of fun joking around in the Dogo threads over the years, but I honestly believe they are supposed to work like basically good ol rough cur dogs. Find hogs first and foremost, then either catch or bay for the opportunity to catch.

Let me ask this, what is a cur dog who won't find their own hog? A "help" dog right? Well, When it becomes clear to me a dog I own is nothing but a lazy help dog it gets culled.

So......... What do people call a Dogo who won't find his own hog? A "Jam up RCD" or "a stud" lol
Ideally, folks should be just as dissatisfied and digusted with a no hunting Dogo as they would be with a no hunting cur.
I don't know TColt or Mr Teegardin but I believe this is all they are getting at ma'am.



At the end of the day, you do what pleases you. Happy huntin, I mean you no harm.

Spot on T-Bob, The Dogo was bred to be basically a straight catch cur dog. As we all know the catching is the easiest part of the puzzle for a breeder.

The hunting drive, finding ability, speed, wind, brains, and conformation is the hard part to get in the package. Dogo's are bred to be pack dogs, an all Dogo pack or one or more running down with some cur dogs, dog aggression can be a very big problem and there is no room for it in a breeding dog.

A nice hunting Dogo, when bred and trained correctly, is a wonderful thing and a great addition to any hunters yard. Breeding them is not easy and requires extensive testing of the potential breeding quality dogs. And after a pairing is made, then the training and culling begins all over again.

I am a member of the DACA and one of their hunt test judges. I care very deeply for this breed and want to see only the very best examples of what a Dogo should be producing pups.

I have been trying to help this young lady, and others who are interested in a pup, to see that there is more to breeding these dogs than just pairing a couple that can catch. I would encourage her to join the DACA and have her dogs go through the hunt tests certifications and prove themselves in front of a judge before being bred.

A Dogo has got to be able to find and catch is own hogs, no if, and's, or buts...

Thanks,
Paul T

Paul and Taylor be looking for our post on the Randy Bumpers, CHICA daughter of Soco sure is feeling in his foot steps by far.  She went out over a mile and we lost her.  Looking for a way to either drive to the other side of the property or swim a running river we had one guy swim and go find her while we drove 90 to the other side.  She had been caught for over 30min.  THe best we could guess is she was caught for 30 to 45min.  A few pokes but had one ear off and was holding the other ear.  I think the boar walked the scale a day and ha;f later at 228 with some sure enough dog killers.  SHe was started right before Jan this year and i'd guess she has caught close to 75 head.  SHe is the best ive seen since Soco!  SHe will strike off the hood or the ground and will go and go and go!!  Paul i'm gonna have to come up and run some down in the open! 

That's some real solid logic right there. Nice to see folks reach out to help too.

i would like to try one

For some many ppl talkin chit on "no-gos" sure are alot that are wanting to "try one" kinda comical to me.

So** sorry fat fingers get me every time. Good luck on the future cross by the way!