EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I didn't want to jack the other thread so I started a new one.

Im wondering do yall think that a bulldog is more aggressive by nature than a cur dog? If so, why do you believe this? Not wanting to argue,

just want to see what the general though is on the subject.

My experence has been cur....cds seem to have a better handel. How many threads you read say "well tried to load up "bay/strike" but he blabla again at 10 miles away....

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 Well I agree. But Im not talking about handle or bottom. Just natural aggression.

Nope... 99% of the time the cur dogs are the ones to start it.

If they start it with a bulldog... the bulldog will usually finish it.

EXACTLY RIGHT! 

Unless our dogs are just different from everyone elses, our cur dogs are WAY more aggressive by nature.

 Now I will say that a bulldog is better equipped with stronger jaws and bite power. They also have no quit in them. Which makes me respect them more.

But as far a aggression, the cur dogs on our yard are more growly with one another. Can not be trusted around strangers. Are more territorial, ect, ect.

Our bulldogs are more passive. Now once they are engaged, they have more power.

Yep. Curs have the attitude and always wanna fight over nothing!!!

agreed 100%. my old male pit was a gentle, non aggressive dog, would turn tail if another dog growled at him. only time I saw strike back was when my bmc jumped him for getting to close to a bitch in heat. the cur held his own, seeing the pit had nearly 50lbs on him, but they both finished their pi$$ing contest, a couple cut n torn cheeks n lips, no major damage other than their mouths. my cirs hav started 99% of the aggression issues. got 1 now that may not make it if he pulls his stunt again like he did night before last while hunting.

This is why I get upset when people say that bulldogs are a mean breed. This is so not true.

 But I do respect their power and stamina. And I think that all people aggressive bulldogs should be culled. Sorry I just feel that would help to save people and save the breed.

x100 on people aggressive bulldogs being culled. All for it.

the few times when I own a pit bull I never turn him loose in the back yard with the curs unless I am supervising them the whole time...but I will let the curs run together in the back yard with minimal supervision...because I know I can usually break the curs up pretty quick...

I agree with all of the above, i have seen FAR more fights in the woods involving currs that I have involving bulldogs in my time hunting.....come to think of it i've only seen 1 bulldog fight a curr ever and the currs dumbarse started it!

Never had a single issue with a bulldog starting a fight in the 13 + years ive owned em and 10 years ive hunted with and around them......

Smart! imo bulldogs should never be left unsupervised with any dogs period. I believe you have to treat them like a loaded gun because of the potential damage they can cause. Even if another dog starts it with them and you are not around to stop them, bad news for the other dog. I believe prevention is key, keep them kept properly and you will be just fine.

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I agree. But its like putting I big ol muscled up, nice fella in a room full of cocky, mouthy, chest poked out fellas. The big guy probably wont start it but if provoked, he will probably do the most damage.  ;D

But as dog owners, it is our responsibility to prevent the occurance. Im just pointing out that sometimes bulldogs get a bad rap when they aren't the ones who usually instigate.

However, there are excetions to this. And this is when culling can help the breed. IMO

Which is more aggressive, Bull Dog or Cur? = Lacy :)

The bull dogs are obviously more capable, but not even close to as aggressive. Incidentally, when a cur (Lacy) starts it, it deserves what it gets.

Hi Dinah!

Steve

 Agreed!  :D
Well dang! Where have you been hiding? Lol  Hello to you!

 

I wouldnt go that far as to saying bulls should be treated like a loaded gun. respecting their power, yes, but it boils down to the handler trainer. Bullies aint a blood thirsty killer, but more of a teddy bear if taught properly.

Yes, but I see what he is saying. Our bulldogs are very laid back but if a cur jumps on them, they will protect themselves and never stop. But I do at times put certain curs and pits together. I know our dogs well enough to know which ones get along and which ones cant be trusted together.

 Sorry Charles. I was agreeing with what Rueben said. Not Rednose.

Aw no worries mrs dianna, we r all opinionated, i see reubens n rednoses point, but like i said to rednose, bullies aint blood thirsty killers, just powerful teddy bears, maybe a young grizz, lota power in a small pkg

I tell you what we had a redbone that would start fights. He always tried to start a fight with our at the time big male dogo. He would walk by and stand next to him and growl. The dogo just went about his business but one day that redbone jumped on him and boy did he get a ass kicking he will never forget. Never jumped on another dog again. But that redbone was very agressive

Respectfully, I would Charles I've owned gamebred bulldogs for over 20 years now, and I definitely would. It has a lot to do with the owner but so does a gun. If you handle with care you dont have regrets. Bullies are a whole different story they are not real pitbulls, and have totally different characteristics and capabilities. All it takes is one dog to make a wrong move or start a fight with a real bulldog (pitbull) to get it crackin, and if you aint there to break it up bad news.

You have to understand a real gamebred bulldog is a whole different story and honestly shouldn't be owned by most people. Most people would be better off with a bully or a blue. They have been bred for over a hundred years for one thing to fight other dogs and not quit. So with that in mind, you do not ever want to leave one alone with other dogs unsupervised. I have friend all over the country and been around these dogs and i can tell you how many good catch dogs and or just pets have been lost in kennel accidents. But you can take it for whats its worth.

Cur dogs are usually more grouchy than the bulldogs I have had , but when they bulldog gets pissed off the curs usually learn the first time don't mess with them no more , you just gotta be there to stop it before it gets to bad ,

I wish I had seen this post earlier, I absolutely couldn't agree with you more!!! comparing a TRUE gamebred dog to a bully or blue dog is comparing apples to oranges.......other than the fact that both are called pitbulls or bulldogs there are purt near zero similarities! Very good post Rednose!!!!

A bulldog that growls and barks at every dog that walks by lacks confidence and is a fight waiting to happen. These dogs are not what folks I know would be willing to keep. I have seen far more grouchy growly posturing hounds and curs.

When it comes to bulldogs to me A MAN MUST KNOW HIS LIMITATIONS.
What I mean by this is not Everyman is capable of handling bulldogs or game bred bulldogs. I have a friend that has offered me game bred pups multiple times. I am not sure if I know how to handle them good enough to put the risk of possible issues and a low enough level so I have declined the offer. He assures me I will be fine but until I'm sure or at least reasonably sure I will not accept one. People need to be honest with them selves and work toward being the handler they won't to be instead of being macho and thinking they are capable when in fact they aren't.

Good point. I cant say that Ive ever owned a game bred pit since ours were dump dogs. Just know that they were pits.

 This was our first pit who was a stray that had a bullet hole through his back leg by the time he wandered up to our house. I don't know anything about his background. But he was hands down the best catch dog we ever had. If he was game bred, I would like another one. He was great with all people and dogs.

 Not the best pic but the only one I could find at the moment.
 (http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/djhogdogging/ammo007.jpg)

 what u callin a "BULLDOG", that dog the van wilder milked and filled them donut things in the movie or a spud makensie dog? I thought those were the TRUE bull dogs. there is eveidently so many different kinds of bullies out there then.
a dog that because of the lack of proper training and ingnorance of the owner to teach a dog to do nothing but fight and kill another dog, has no use in or around my yard. If I have to be constantly viligant and keep 1 eye open on a dog in my sleep and both eyes open during the day will meet st peters entry guard dog.

Like everybody else has said, cur dogs, hands down seem to start more fights. People are amazed that I can crate two male pits together & not a peep out of them. They know what their job is.
  On the other hand try putting two male curs in the same crate & it sounds like a chainsaw in there.
  Dont have any curs at the moment but my plotts from 6 weeks old, all eat in the same pan & if I hear a growl out of them, they get a whack. that goes for bulldog pups too. They all learn to eat together & fighting is not tolerated.
  Like charles said, a lot of it is owner error. I have seen dogs out of the same litter as mine, when they were turned loose wanted to fight. Life is to short.

Another good example of cajun.
Mrs dianna, thats a fine lookin pit u got.

   I don't think you can train a dog not to fight. Just like you can't train a dog to hunt .  Bulldogs are capable of doing more damage and faster then most dogs , agree ? I have been there and done that. Had a cur start a fight qutgca seven year old house pet. That pet was a pit. Very well mannered dog. Cur dog is dead and pet is at a new home. That was four or so years ago. It was my fault , hands down.
    I am sure a lot is human error on how dogs are raised but sometimes it just luck of the draw. No litter is uniform in personality and or ability.

Thank you Charles. He was our very first catch dog. He is dead now and we have his son. His son is no where near the dog that his dad was. I wish I knew where he came from. I would love to have another of the same breeding.

Thank you Justin. I just have a lot of firsthand experience with gamebred bulldogs (pitbulls). Bottom line is if you are responsible and handle them properly you have nothing to worry about. They do make great catch dogs but they take much more work and care. If you are not experienced with them you would probably be better off with one of the other bully breeds as they are a lot less hot. Just search this board alone and look at how many threads there are about yard accidents with bulldogs. I hate seeing them cause I love all hunting dogs.

Cantexduck great point, I was going to say exactly that. These dogs do not fight out of fear or low confidence, they fight because thats what runs through their veins. You cant teach a dog not to quit, it has to have it in him. Having so much courage and heart has its down falls. Charles I totally understand were you are coming from and I respect the fact you know exactly what you will and wont tolerate. I hope I did not come off rude because that was not my intention at all sir.

That is a beautiful bulldog you had there djhogdogger. May he rest in peace.

P.S. Now who can drop some knowledge on me about Curs and Cats cause that is what I am trying to learn about. :)

No harm no foul rednose. We all hav diferent experiences n opinions.  I do not condone dog fighting, do not talerate it on or off my yard from ANY animal, not just dogs. My inexperience n misleading info on pit/bulls.  a pit i had, which i posted a pic of him, lookin another 1, he got in a fight with a cur over a piece of tail, guy nxt door said the white dog (bmc) started it, held his own, n from the rumors of what a pit could do n them being assiciated with dog fighting, i sold him, explaining to the buyer what he did n that was the reason i was selling him. The guy that bought him kept in touch with me a for a couple yrs n said he nvr had any aggression towards anything but a hog. I now wish i had nvr sold him, thanks to my ignorance n lack of knowledge n experience of that breed. Thanks to the folks on here, iv been educated n now hav a better understanding of the breed. But as for the original topic, i still say a cur has more "natural" aggression for some odd reason.

No matter what breed, if it is man aggressive it needs to be culled in my book.

Dont know if its just our bulldogs or we have some bad a#$ cur dogs, but most times on our yard its the bulldog that takes the whoopin. My partner Evans2311 has a kemmer, I believe we could make millions with in a pit. He whoops anything that tries  him. Only thing I've seen worse was a ole' walker dog we had, and he'd put the hurt on a bulldog, quick like. Just my opinion.

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 A dog aggressive dog is in same group at my house.  Around me a dog better not growl at a person or jump on another dog. I had worked with a few dogs to clear up some dog aggression. A few others didn't want to change so they moved along.

Ha ther have been plenty of curs that could bite through out history! Cur is cur, never meant couldn't give ass whippin but don't like one! I would bite & fight hard if I was scaaaaared for my life! Jmo

Dog aggression is one thing, a people biter is another. We are all doing the bull breed a disservice by breeding and tolerating people biters. They are the reason why the breed is outlawed in some cities and counties.

100% agree

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My curs have been in tight quarters with numerous dogs of my hunting buddies and never thought twice about it. Been a little growlly a couple times but have never had to pull over for a dog fight between curs. I would never even attempt that with a bulldog. I havnt been at this for too long but if I could find a dog that caught as good as a pit, so that I wouldn't have to own one I would. They are a tool to me. I am not a bulldog lover at all. So my opinion of a bulldog being more aggressive than a cur is pretty biased. Ok, now I'm ready for the stones to be thrown.

Depends on which aggression we're talking about (animal aggression or people aggression). Of course what people choose to tolerate within their own yard varies as far as animal aggression goes, but for me, aside from my American Bulldog whose job it is to keep watch over our property and alert us to strangers, I have a ZERO tolerance for a man biter. ESPECIALLY from bulldog type breeds. Best believe if any of my dogs ever so much as lifted a lip to me or my kids they'd be culled instantly.

As a bulldog lover I would not throw any stones your way. That is your honest assessment, and I would rather someone responsible have one and respect their potential good or bad than someone who treats them like a regular dog and comes home to a accident or worse. JMHO

A true bulldog is the most complete dog on this planet in my opinion. They are as loyal and dependable and smart as any dog ever bred. And their heart is undisputable. They have no equal..
But with that said, 99% of the time any dog fight we have is caused by the cur dogs..

Zero tolerance on any form of agression here.......only winner of a dog fight on my yard is me....

Any form of people agression is instant cull....I don't care if the dog cr*p gold nuggets...if it growls at a person its gone....dog fighters get a window to improve but only a very small one...

I run my yard not my dogs...

we raise bm,cats,and pits and our bm's are pretty aggresive, more that any of the other dogs