EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Older man I've known for years been raising the same dogs as long as I've known him. I bought a couple dogs from him here the last couple weeks and they've done bout exactly what he said. Well he had one more for sell supposed to be sure nuff HOG DOG. Picked him up yesterday and carried him hunting this mornin. And he got out to shame by a dog the old man told me was young and wouldn't do much

Picked him up yesterday and carried him huntin this morning and you're already saying that you got burned? Sounds like you should give the dog a fair chance first and give the old man a fair chance as well before you go posting on the internet you got burned.

Dude, i agree, ,, give the dog a  chance to get to know ya, and your pack. He's still trying to figure out which  end is up after getting moved out to a totally different environment. I bet it wont be long and he'll be a lot closer to what the old fella told he was

Look at it this way - you might have gotten a great deal on a young dog.  My buddy traded for a "started" dog that's striking dogs left and right within a month of owning him.

Chances are he might not have known which one was really doing the work. Time will tell feed him some tracks.


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a started pup can be the very best deal...the more trashy the pup the better I like...

Supposed to be a "finished" dog. For 1000 dollars I seen hogs and he didn't go find them

"Finished" is a lose term these days it seems like. But like these men was saying, give him a chance. The dog could have been worried about other things than hunting seriously cause he isn't comfortable yet. Then he could have been having an "off" day. Maybe he is wind dog and the wind wasn't right. Any number of things could have lined up to make the dog not find the hogs. Before you seriously cast judgment on a dog spend some time with the dog and learn him while he is learning you. Now some dogs can hunt for anybody, anytime, anywhere. But some of the best dogs I ever seen were one man dogs. And right now, maybe  to that dog, you ain't the man.


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When I called the man about it he asked me if I had anything besides a regular collar on the dog I told him a tracking collar and he told me to hunt him without the tracking collar and he's supposed to be long range

You really never know how a dog will respond to a new owner. But a dog that has been on a lot of hogs and is a decent dog shouldn't change his actions when in hogs. But you never know till you can see for your self and make a good educated decision 


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I have seen coon dogs, hog dogs and cow dogs that have had too much E  collar and would not hunt or work with any kind of collar with a receiver on it. The old Cotton dog of Ben Jordans  would trail a cow for miles and stay until you found him but would not hunt or work with a tracking collar on.

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If you run him with a light vest you could put the tracker on his vest

Put a tracking collar on him thro him on the chain or kennel for two weeks then take him out if wants to hunt for you he will if not take him back.


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I run a alpha so I got to thinkin maybe the prongs in his neck had him gun shy but run a dc 30 on him this mornin and no difference. So idk

Yes sir, you and me both! A trashy dog is a huntin dog, all ya gotta do is fine tune em.

Comin on 4. Idk where everyone got he was a young dog. The young dog I got from the same guy done more than he was supposed to for me

Yea that's what I was thinking. I mean it's partly my fault apparently you can't trust anyone. But it never crossed my mind that someone I've known for 8+ years that has been raising dogs as long as I've known him would sell me some bull number 2. But some dogs will only hunt for certain people and that may be the case here. Just wasn't impressed with the dog at all

Ask the ol boy to take u huntin or what ever with the dog and find out


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Kind of reminds me of a male dog I tried yrs ago on a trial...I new the guy and somewhat trusted him so I took the dog out and put him on hogs that first morning.. he went out and wouldn't even bay hogs I was lookin at that we actually walked up on.  Dog stayed at my feet and he was the only dog I brought out that morning.. Dog was 4 yrs old at the time and had a couple of scars on him, so I didn't understand it at all.. Well ,, I brought him back and told the feller so no hard feelings and I went on my way.. About 1 month later,, I heard of a another guy had bought the dog and that feller knew one of my buddies so I asked him how the dog is working for him.... Man,,, that dog ended up catchin tons of hogs for that guy,, don't know why he didn't hunt for me,,, never had a dog do that to me but it happened that time..   one thing I have learned is all dogs are different and they have their own personalities..

my opinion for what its worth is that you shouldnt have even hunted the dog yet. some dogs hunt for the human and some hunt for themselves. i think this one hunts for his master and you aint it yet. and did you discuss returning the dog if he didnt suit you prior to buyin it. hope it all works out  for the buyer,seller and the dog.

I do know that some Mt curs hunt for the master...depending on how you handle the dog will also determine how long it will take for the dog to  decide when he will hunt for you...

If you know for sure that the dog is a good hunting dog then be patient and take the dog for walks, rides and give him treats...the sooner he will trust you the sooner he will hunt for you...

I bought a male from my uncle one time that I had hunted with on numerous occasions and knew very well what he was capable of, done seen him in action a bunch, caught a few hogs with him after I bought him but he wasn't doing what I thought he should, finally about a few months later after I had he really started to blossom, now I know when you buy something it's supposed to do it just as good when you buy it, but some dogs are like humans, some men can take a new job and got right to work, others have to adjust to their new surroundings and co workers for a little bit.

I know one thing for sure if you were friends with the old dog man before you dang sure won't be now if he finds out that you're saying he burned you on a dog before you went back to him and discussed what to do to make it right.

Boy he going to be hotter then fish oil


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Ive talked to boarboy about this quite a bit. While I agree with ya'll that the ol man might not be too happy I will say this.

1) he hasn't mentioned that mans name on here, hell he hasn't even told me the mans name on the phone or via text for that matter, id imagine 90+% of the folks on here don't even know boarboys real name much less have a clue who he is speaking about so I don't believe that it is too big a concern.....yes ya'll do have a valid point though, I can see where the old man would be upset IF he saw this no doubt.

2) a real deal get it done type hog dog SHOULD hunt for anyone that drops him, just my opinion ( I know that there are certain dogs that just flat out wont hunt for anyone other than their owner and that's fine and dandy, not arguing that point at all.......however to me that is NOT a trait I would want in a dog personally...... he can be the best damn hog dog in the country for 1 man but if he wont hunt for anyone else then he really ain't worth a plug nickel to anyone other than the original owner which ain't a problem UNTIL that owner sells him)

3) When I was told that the man told boarboy that he was a sure enough go get em type hog dog THEN turned around and told boarboy that if he was hunting the dog with a cut collar or tracking collar that he needed to take em off the dog that honestly threw a red flag to me........ UNLESS the man hunted this dog 1 out every time he went and the dog produced hogs for him how could he possibly know if the dog was worth a dang without running any type of tracking system on it ...........i'm honestly wondering if this isn't the case with the dog that boarboy bought where the dog is great when he is hunted with another dog but for one reason or another wont get gone when he is by himself.......


I honestly don't know the deal with this dog and all of the above is simply my take on the subject based off what I have spoken to boarboy about regarding this dog. He has told me more than once that the man has never steered him or anyone he knows wrong with a dog in the past so I really don't believe that the old man was trying to get over on him but something just doesn't add up. In this day and age  who in their right mind would hunt a dog without a tracking collar especially when they just spent 1000$ on that dog.......Just a strange situation all the way around.

well all I can say is that someone ruined that dog with a shock collar...the old man needs to take boarboy and the dog on a hunt and that dog should hunt...

good dogs don't have bad days...I stand by that statement...

As usual Mr. Reuben, we are on the same page sir.

Thank you mr Corbell!! Personally my buddies and I barrow each other's dogs on occasion they always hunt the same. I've heard of dogs only hunting for one or two people and I know an old boy that has a dog like that. But I did buy the gyp that the dog being discussed was hunted with 99 percent of the time I bought her about a month ago. The second time I hunted the male I dropped him and her out of the truck and got back in my truck. Nothing changed. If you put a 1000 dollar dog in fresh hog tracks he better go find a hog. Dog literally didn't even have to hunt all he had to do was hit the ground the track was right there and he didn't take it

This here is what I call an educational thread. Appreciate it fellas.

Whats finished to the old man may not be considered finished to you. I do believe if youve bought numerous dogs from him n they are what he says, then he should have no reason n shooting u a line of crap on the 3rd or 4th one. Id give it some time too. Goodluck

A dog that's hunts for a new owner right off the bat is the exception not the rule. Give the dog some time to adjust you will probably be pleasantly surprised at the result

Boarboy, did you hunt him with or without a tracking collar?

Both first day I hunted him with a tt15 for my alpha and with my good gyp. She was bayed 20 minutes out of the truck. He did go to the bay wasn't in a hurry though. Second day I hunted him with a dc 30 and the gyp he supposedly always hunted with. Nothing changed so after a little while I took the collar off and not much difference

a sure way to find out if the dog is a good hog dog but a one man dog is to take the old man along and let him cast the dog out...if he is a hog dog he will get out and hunt and find a hog if one is to be found...

if that is the case you will eventually have him hunting just as good...just treat the dog right and make friends with him first...

good dogs don't have bad days...maybe some days better than others...

make a hunt with man  you got  him from and see what he  says  if  you want the  dog  or  bring it back for your money back .... sounds like  he may be  used  to hunt'n with another dog possibly a gyp if he's a male dog ....  friend  of  mine  just recently told  me the person he  hunts  wwith let  someone  get  one  of his  dogs  and now  the  other  one he kept just stands  there  in good  fresh  sign don't want to hunt  ... hope the dogs turns around  for you ...

I agree with you and Justin. But I got an old gyp here that's probably 11. I can take her or my dad and bay hogs all day long with her. Another man that she don't know even be on the hunt with you she will make you want to kill her. She goes a couple times with that person she will go find her a hog. I got one of the black dogs off Mike and anyone can take her hunting but not just anyone can catch her. Some dogs are goofy. Some dogs won't hunt for some people. Got a yellow male here that I had given away as a pup. They gave him back because they was going to coon dogs. He's found his own hogs and stuff. Now that son of a gun will not hunt for me. Take him and won't do anything. But you saying he was ruined with a shock collar which people don't realize it happens fast. You gotta be smarter then the shock collar. But then again not ever cur dog is silent. Not every hound is open. And not ever dog is a hog dog.


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^ good points 7M

I did get burned. Hunted the dog again same number 2 called the old man and he hung up on me as soon as I mentioned the dog. The dog as done nothing close to what I was told. Now a lot of this is my fault I'm sure because I trusted someone that I thought wouldn't do me wrong because I've known them so long aparently you can't trust anyone when it comes to money. I'm almost positive the dog isn't near as old as I was told. And he does not cast at all but I will say this. I was cruisin some national Forrest roads with him loose in the back of my truck he stood up in the side of my bed like he was winding so I dumped him and he went out 700 yards. Didn't find anything but he did leave

when the dog is winding sometimes what he smells from the back of the truck he will not be able to smell what is in the wind once he hits the ground in some cases...so you figure how the wind is channeling and walk in that direction (into the wind) once the dog gives it up on his first try...chances are he was winding hog...and you can guide him in that direction until he picks up on the scent again...good handling will bring out the best in the dog...

I hear what you are saying Ruben but the dog was supposed to be a long range cast dog. Seems like I'm stuck with him now though

Keep working on his trusting you...there are many great dogs that will only hunt for their master...hope he is one of those...good luck...

in the past 10 days, did you ever follow the advise of some and go back to the man for help with the dog?
word might have gotten back to him through the grape vine that you accused him of burning you instead of you going back to him immediately and asking for help, instead you accuse him first, hear some say you need to go back to the man, some say to try some things and so forth, but you wait to long, and IIIFFFFF word got back to him, he probably said piss on you and went on about his business. but on the other hand, you might have just got burned. but it seems from this post, you called him out without going back to him immediately to address the possible issues and possibly seeded a god man's name. either way, like you said, your stuck with him, so as some have said, make the best of it and earn the dog's trust and see what he is really about in time.

I talked to the man 3 times about the dog before I ever posted. No one knows who I'm talking about and 90 percent of the people on here don't even know my name.

And I was on the phone with him for 5 or 10 minutes talking fine and as soon as I mentioned the dog he hung up

and there lays the IIIFFFs, which is exactly why i put them in long caps. but it seems odd that you spoke with him 3x about the dog before posting and then all of a sudden after you posted this, you bring the dog up and he hangs ups. its odd. something happened. I'm not arguing with you either. I'm actually saying something is odd when before everything was ok. but on a side note. just bc 90% don't know your real name or anyone on here knows the man, remember there are 10% that do know you. even with all the people in this world, its still small, especially in groups that are small to begin with. so don't think someone who knows you doesn't know someone who knows someone who knows someone and so forth that might actually know both you and the man, even if its by proxy.

If someone would've told him I said something why would he bother answering or not mention it when he did if he was just going to hang out as soon as I brought up the dog?

that would be a question to ask him, not me. i think outside the box, so I'm running different scenarios of what could have happened, especially when you said you did get burned bc when u brought the dog up, he hung up. did you get burned, possibly, possibly not. the only person/s who really knows, is GOD, the man and maybe you. we ALL can speculate, but in the end, WE on the other side of the screen who were not present during any bit of this transaction are only getting one side, only bc the other person isn't on this site publicly or even knows about this site. so the rest of us have to go only off what you say, NOT CALLING YOU A LIAR!!!!!, so we have to interpolate everything with only half the picture. 

i got burned by a guy who i thought was friend over a dog and $. i was told the entire litter died and a yr later get a call from a stranger who offered me a dog and after hearing the age and bloodline, i told him i wasn't interested in buying my dog back, and i explained what happened and everything was fine between he and i. but, backing up, i sent a bitch up north to get bred, she evidently was bred when i handed her to him, he didn't want them, so he did what needed to be done. waiting for her next cycle, she took, pups born and then at 4wk old, they supposedly all died. the deal was, he breed her, i get 1 fm pup and he keeps the rest and sells. well, he sold them alright, along with my fm, sold her right out from under my nose. so, yes, i know where your coming from by being burned by supposed friends.

but again, I'm just thinking outside the box. in my line of work, i have to look at many many different avenues of approach for a possible upcoming problem, or a solution to a problem that doesn't pop up in the troubleshooting tree.

My first question is "why are you still protecting  this dog traders identity? "   You obviously got "took" so let's hear this guy's name.  I have no respect for this kind of behavior and feel if he doesn'the want to take responsibility  then at least he should have his "name" tarnished for this phony dog deal.  At least his reputation can suffer if he wants to operate like this.

Well heres my honest take on the situation after hunting behind the dog this past weekend for what its worth.... he got burned on the dog flat out, no need to sugarcoat it BUT the dog did show us a few things. First off there is no way that the dog is the age it was claimed to be, having said that I can honestly see the dog eventually turning on, he didnt burn the woods down but he didnt stay at the buggies the whole time either. He rolled out a couple times to around 5-600yds in a pine saplin thicket and gave it a try. Was he worth 1000$? In my opinion, nope. BUT i think if he gets fed tracks and worked with he could turn into a solid dog down the road. The way i look at it he has already spent the $, might as well give the dog an honest chance. Just my .02 cents

Justin...about how old is the dog?

As Justin Corbell said I've spent the money already and the dog is starting to show a little something. Just gonna feed him tracks and hope for the best. Ain't gonna throw names out because I'm bigger than that, anybody that's on here new to the sport learn from my mistake as I did and If your gonna buy a high dollar dog BUY IT IN THE WOODS LOOKING AT A HOG.

Reuben we decided that the dog is 2 at the most

ok...keep making friends with him so he can have total confidence in you...once that happens you will know if he is a cull or not...

Yea reuben, im thinkin 2 or younger myself.