goose...you sound very impressive...I do appreciate your mind...I haven't seen my dogs ever wanting to eat coon but they will kill one on the ground pretty quick...and yes I agree with you in quite a few of the things you are saying...but you must know that our scientist have been wrong many times and the general public will grasp the idea and run with it...but those are normal things that happen and over a period of years others improve on the ideas...that is normal...I do read and observe things that happen and then I develop my own theories as to why some things happen...sometimes learning about one subject will answer questions about others...many times we theorize because there isn't any data available to us but one thing we can do is use our common sense and common sense solves problems...
learned behaviors...there are many times that breeders of great pointers have taken a bird wing with a string and stick and jiggled it in front of a well bred pointer pup of six weeks and that pup goes to a steady point...do that with a hound or cur pup and it will more than likely not point it...is it a learned behavior? maybe but more than anything it is a bred in trait...
same thing with a well bred racing greyhound...over generations the best dogs will win...to the breeder with an eye and feel for the racing greyhound he will select puppies according to those traits which he selects...and then when the dog wins consistently then it is proven that he has what it takes to win so he is bred to females of the same type...we will leave out prepotency just to stick with what we are talking about...this breeder selected through what he saw and felt and he was right...but just like in many things there are many other things happening behind the scenes that he doesn't have any idea of what is happening but it really doesn't matter...these other things that he doesn't see are things that go hand in hand with what he sees...
why are some babies born addicted to crack? why are some babies born with defects because of lack of certain nutrients.
that little boy I talked about who could eat extremely hot peppers like they we candy and which they didn't bother him in any way that I could see...I don't think he will gravitate back to how a normal preteen would react to eating these peppers...he should of been red faced and sweating, possibly blisters on his tongue and severe pain from the hot spicy peppers...he should of developed a severe stomach ache but none of these symptoms appeared to be bothering this kid...something must of happened in his formation for him to have adapted so well to eating birds eye peppers...many will say this is not science...it is only an observation and I agree...
I like tweaking...
I throw a sweaty t-shirt in the puppy house and switch it every few days with another sweaty shirt...I do that for about three weeks...I want them to see me as one of them...at four weeks or so I throw a meaty hog head in the yard and let them tear it up...I use hunger to my advantage...I want them to love it...I test them for winding and finding and finding which pup or pups are the best at it...I test for ranging out...I test for baying style...I look for natural first...training doesn't impress me...natural ability does...what we have discussed is nothing more than what has been happening since the beginning of the time when living organisms were created...I didn't read that anywhere just common sense based on what I now know...it's just a higher level of understanding...because we understand more we can decide if we want to add to what we know and do...I know I will put the pregnant gyp in the bay pen two or three times before she whelps...maybe it won't matter much but I am about tweaking and thinking outside the box...
Being as you like to use analogies to get your point across that are outside of the discussion, that is the reason I used the coon dogs as an example, using a scenario with what I’m gathering of your theory, I never mentioned anything about your dogs messing with coon and can’t decipher if it was a misinterpretation of a scenario or an attempt at a hint of sarcasm, I’m well aware that scientist and Dr.s aren’t right all of the time, and have seen it on more than one occasion, that’s why it’s referred to as studying and practicing in those professions, because no one has it all figured out, I’m an unconventional outside the box thinker myself with enough common sense to have made it this far in life but won’t convince myself that my assumptions hold more merit than what has been scientifically discovered and that modern science has not yet caught up with my way of thinking...
Again I think you missed my whole point in learned behaviors and instincts becoming inherited traits, no, we can not tease a cur dog with a bird wing and watch him instinctively point, and your not going to take bird dog pup and send it towards yearlings in a pasture and watch them instinctively start wadding them up and circle baying either, being as all dogs share the same ancestry but yet are extremely diverse in type and function then somewhere along the way dogs learned the ways to figure different task and all man did was enhance those behaviors to the point they became inherited traits through artificial selection, I find it hard to believe that way back when, bird hunters would get down on all fours and show the dogs the proper way to point a covey of birds, when the type of dog and breed itself was first being developed, same thing with stock minded dogs, before they were “traits” as you put they had to start somewhere, they didn’t just appear one day, look at the treeing walker breed, they are a well known and established breed with established breed specific “traits” but yet their origins are primarily from running walker stock, certain individual dogs within the running walker breed instinctively figured out or learned that some of their game goes up a tree, some hunters realized the potential and started breeding those individuals that would instinctively tree, which was not a trait bred for in the running walker breed, and through artificial selection turned unborn environmentally learned instincts into established inherited traits...
We know why babies are born crack addicts and why some children are born with defects due to pre natal nutrient deficiencies, that’s nothing new and something that has been well known and documented, and can and
a lot of times are fixed, but those problems stay with that individual and are not passed onto its offspring...
Let’s say the example of the little boy with peppers did in fact create a pre natal TOLERANCE to capsaicin, the heat compound in peppers that makes them hot, does that mean that his kids will have the same tolerance, he will not be able to eat peppers during gestation...
Words on the street is that tweaking is bad for your health...
Not discrediting what you do with your gyps and pups, at the end of the day you pay for the feed and as long as you like them then that’s all that matters as long as the welfare of the dog comes first which I know isn’t an issue at all in this discussion, I just can bring myself to see where it helps out a great deal, being as mankind has been breeding dogs for specific purposes for hundreds of years and you better believe those methods have been tried before and if they worked then they would’ve become common practice, breeding and developing dogs is not rocket science and what has been discovered so far can’t really be improved upon a great deal, yes there’s no ceiling on it and always room for improvements and new techniques and I believe we’ll learn more as we gain the technology, but what is there that can be greatly improved upon that our forefathers have already built with a pair of worn out boots and a hammer, I can’t argue with your sweaty t shirt method, because I do the same but later than 3 weeks, does it enhance what a pup is genetically loaded for, nope, but I have my reasons...
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