What's ideal?

That's well put Slim. I agree in the lost art. There are lots of reasons for it but 1 reason I see is because there aren't as many people using dogs on cattle anymore and those that are a lot of times are using them on sight cattle. Anytime you start breeding for specific or isolated traits you lose others if you aren't real careful. I try to place pups with people that will use them on cattle as well as hogs. Not every litter but enough to make sure that they are still versatile. I'm with you on the fighting and easy handle too. Bottom line is intelligence and want to as goose said.

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