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« on: January 24, 2013, 09:26:31 pm » |
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my main dog atti has turnes into a star and i wantes some pups so ive bred her twice now and got some good pups . one from my first litter is really proving him self worthy so far and as long as he keeps up in a year or so i wpuld like to breed him back. now my question is . is it wrong to breed back to his mother are there any downfalls to it or is it so.ething u just dont do ? she is fast lits of bottom real gritty and the pup so far is identical striking hogs on his own sittin um down real gritty dog glad i listen to the ol lady on him he almost dided at 7 weeks from swallowing mule tape and she shot him with fluids till he passed and nursed him back and really provin himself on yard and long legged thats whati like most hes fast and in ipen runs out in front of hogs . so any input on breeding them or just wait for a couple prospects ill be pickin up in couple minths and see if they make it on the yard
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2013, 11:05:09 pm » |
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Little too tight for my taste...do it only if you have to.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2013, 12:19:31 am » |
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well if you like the gyp breed her son back to her , the pups will have more of the gyps line if thats what you want no problems breeding like this it's called line breeding . as long as you have no bad traits pop up hell i would breed her grandson back to her as well . then look for an outcross and after that tighten um back up . i breed sons to moms and daughters to daddys all the time . granpa's to granddaughters that is how you start to develope a line of dogs of your own .
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2013, 05:49:55 am » |
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well if you like the gyp breed her son back to her , the pups will have more of the gyps line if thats what you want no problems breeding like this it's called line breeding . as long as you have no bad traits pop up hell i would breed her grandson back to her as well . then look for an outcross and after that tighten um back up . i breed sons to moms and daughters to daddys all the time . granpa's to granddaughters that is how you start to develope a line of dogs of your own .
X2 this is what Ill be doing in the future if my pups prove themselfs.
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!! "Rather have a sister in a whore house than spots on a dog" "Pretty is as pretty does"- BigO
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2013, 06:08:10 am » |
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I agree...just pick the best pups or have access to the breeding rightsm to the ones that turn out...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2013, 07:34:27 am » |
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Mr. Whitten, Reuben, Not trying to hi jack this thread but I have a similar question for yall. How bout a step sister and brother cross? I have the gyp, 2 yrs. old. A friend has the male, 10 months old. They have different momas but same daddy. The daddy died a few months back. I really liked the daddy. Both these dogs possess qualities of their sire. I was hoping to breed my gyp to her sire but that's not possible now. The 10 month old step brother is the only off spring of his that I have access to besides her full littermate brother. Don't know if that is too tight. Y'alls thoughts please, or any one elses thoughts.
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"Pedigree indicates what the animal should be. Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be. But PERFORMANCE indicates what the animal actually is."
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 08:13:09 am » |
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this is what im trying to establish is a line of my own the daddy is 1/4 ab and id like to thin the blood out cuz some the other pups turned out a little to catchy i have another male pup im getting soon and if he proves himself id like to throw him into the mix in a couple years he comes from some good dogs i hear pretty reputible guys on this forum thanks for the input when the time comes ill share the outcome
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2013, 08:23:56 am » |
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jimco 1/2 brother to 1/2 sister is where most of my better dogs came from on the sires side and then you can taks one of those pups and go wich ever way you want to go . keep the best male out of that cross to put back on you gyp when the time is right . you can breed tight like this along time . basically you can buy you a male dog and two females and breed for 20 years without anymore dogs being brought in , just watch and cull accordingly .
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 08:25:39 am » |
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If you put a pedigree side by side with another pedigree, there should be some new "outcross" blood somewhere at grandparent level or parent level. If there isnt, then dont breed the two dogs.
So, yes, breed a grandson to his grandmother; breed a daughter to a father; etc
Now, can a littermate be bred to a littlermate? yes....However, that is extremely tight and be ready to cull very hard, maybe even cull all the pups.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 08:55:39 am » |
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will u get any kind of deformation or such when doing this
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 09:15:14 am » |
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You won't get deformation.....just makes bad traits more likely to show up, so cull hard.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 09:32:54 am » |
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thanks for the input fellas
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 09:57:17 am » |
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but it would be real nice to be able to breed two headed catch dogs , wouldn;t it ? lol
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 09:59:11 am » |
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 10:13:24 am » |
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2013, 10:14:30 am » |
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just didnt know if pups start coming out like that damn beast c ward and t will were breeding up
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2013, 09:36:57 pm » |
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How did the other pups from the litter of the male you want to throw back on the momma come out?
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2013, 09:17:40 am » |
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one my brother has will find and catch t another one real catchy other gyp i kept and another gyp that went to guy i know is hunting their arse off baying tight real gritty and catchy on smaller hogs only one gyp guy called said was open he was gipin she woild grow out it but aint heard anymore non tbe orhers were open
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2013, 12:19:41 pm » |
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Mr. Whitten, Reuben, Not trying to hi jack this thread but I have a similar question for yall. How bout a step sister and brother cross? I have the gyp, 2 yrs. old. A friend has the male, 10 months old. They have different momas but same daddy. The daddy died a few months back. I really liked the daddy. Both these dogs possess qualities of their sire. I was hoping to breed my gyp to her sire but that's not possible now. The 10 month old step brother is the only off spring of his that I have access to besides her full littermate brother. Don't know if that is too tight. Y'alls thoughts please, or any one elses thoughts.
that cross is not close at all...if the dogs are really good then I wouldn't hesitate to make that breeding...the females brother can be bred right back to one of his best nieces... that is if he is good hunting dog as well...
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