Culls vs ???

[cantexduck]

 Chris,
   I think a true cull is a dog that isnt fit to be a working dog. I find it hard for me to cull a dog. I dont raise puppys b/c I dont like them. I have been working on a pack for over two years now. I am still not where I should be. I know that their are too many good dog out there for me to be raiseing pups. I have passed on 4 dogs so far. One was a lacy cross that didnt want to bay hogs. I started her on blood. She was good at it. I sold her to a cpuple that bow hunts. She has tracked a few deer for them. They were a perfect match for her. The second was a lacy that didnt have the drive. He worked good in a pen but not the woods. I sold him to a guy down south that wantted a ranch dog to chase animals at his place. Again,perfect match. The 3rd was a dog I got that I got on a trade. He would use his nose,bay and all the other things you wanted in a young dog. I have two pups right now that I am working with and dont have the time to work three pups so I gave him to a friend of mine to try out. I could of taken the easy way and culled them but I found good homes for them instead or found something they worked out for. And when I say sold, I took a hit in the pocket book for sure. It isnt about money to me. I would rather see a dog being used for something then cull them.
   I think we would see a major decline in culling if people would use their head when it came to breeding. I am not a dog breeder but I now enough about it to know to stay away from it. My favorite thing to see is "the touch of plott should add just enough nose to these pups". A dog's breed doesnt make it hunt. I have only been in the sport for a few years but have seen dogs of all makes and ages to know that you breed for the dog not the breed. A good dog plus a good dog doesnt make great dogs. A great dog and great dog doesnt always make great dogs. I think people get wrapped up int eh whole breeding game. Look at how many people post pups and such.  I am not saying people who sale pups on the internet dont know what they are saying at all but there sure are alot of puppys for sale a any givent time.

[nosightsneeded]

I think some the people who a multipal litters on the ground at the same time rely on the sale of those pups. When you start relying on the money the pups make you the quality declines. Not just in hunting dogs but anything form horses to game chickens. People will base there line off a stud and anyting they have that comes into heat will be bred without a second thought just to get paid.

[hogtied]

she mite make you a good cow dog... Im about ready to kill her so she mite be for sale real soon!!! She is an unbelievable bay dog, she is just so timid, and cant catch her... im loosing patience

I have not had the dog that long, almost killed her saturday, hunted her twice since and she struck hogs both times, she is only 10mths old, she is just a little shy... I known diamond A for a long time and they called last week and wanted the dog...because of where it came from, and it was more or less a joke between me and her, and since she wanted a young dog for a cowdog i said she could HAVE it, not sell... besides, im very glad i held on to her till she got use to me... not many people can say their 10mth old struck and bayed two hogs in two hunts... and back it up. A perfect example of what a stupid idea it is to cull just because your mad at the dog. Anybody posting on this topik would have done backflips to get her and said i was nuts cause i got rid of her,  she is not a cull i was just aggravated and joking with ashley, a cull is a $hiT eater that is useless for anypart of hoghunting, I do cull plenty in my yard, but just as many find new homes with owners that they satisfy... and if your not gonna give a pup or dog a chance to make something or to prove itself then you have no business raising dogs... It dont make you a big man to kill a pup or dog, and its not fair to keep breeding them if that is your goal. If you have to raise 5 litters and cull them all...till you get one you like,  you just mite need some new bloodlines and stop wasting LIFE... just as i said about killing hogs just to do it and leave them there to rot, when they are all gone it wont be fun anymore, same with a dog, if you cull them all they mite become extinct too   Just jokin i no it will likely never happen...All forms of life are a precious thing, and all forms of nature and its resources should be protected and appreciated and not used up. Just my opinion, i dont want to offend anyone and was not speaking directly to anyone.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

good post....I agree...If you agree to take on the responsibility of a dog, you should give it a reasonable chance to make a dog...no quesiton about it..

[hogtied]

thanks dgdawsonBMCs

[Circle C]

Hogtied,

     I intentionally left your name out of my quote, as I was not intending to "call you out" on anything...What really had me wondering about it, is when I read Ashley's post in this thread. It seems a bit contradictory, at least they way I am reading it. I "think" she means that any dog that does not work out for someone due to an undesirable trait is a cull. Yet, in the cow dog post she is interested in the dog and trying to make her work out....
Ashley

IF more people would just DO SOME HARD CULLING then there would be alot less sorry dogs in the world   but instead they sell them or give them away and then thats when there name gets ruined when the dog or cull does not do what they want them to. its alot better just 2 stop it before it starts i no it may seem harsh or just plain cruel but its better in the end because if the dog does not work out for the person u gave the dog 2 what do u think is going 2 happen anyways  Shocked  i think that is true culling.. NOT i just dont like the dog and dont have time for it so i will just give it away or sell it..

Ashley

some mans trash may be another mans treasure. but it wont be my trash!!!

With that said,  I see nothing wrong with selling a dog, giving a dog away, etc...so long as their is complete disclosure.... which seems to be the case here. It certainly does not appear as though you are trying to cheat anyone, or misrepresent the dog....Just that from my interpretation of Ashley's post, this dog would be a cull and should not be passed around

[DIAMOND A KENNELS]

THE dog i was talking about in the post is working out as a hog dog but she could also make a good cow dog hogtied just didnt want 2 mess with her because she is hard 2 catch.. not because she is a cull not because he dont like her and not because she is out of junk.. she has showed her self in just a few times being hunted. i simply wanted her because i want a dog around that age 2 start on cows and wanted 2 try the cward multi purpose dog meaning bay hogs with her and work cows. i have seen cward do it and he has some jam up dogs both cow and hog dogs.. but sorry i hit a nerve didnt mean 2 strike ur interest and thanks for saying i contradicted myself     but NOW U have heard the whole story so maybe u will chang ur mind. and the way u see things and the way i see them are totally different u may feel its ok 2 sell or give away a cull. but i will not do it.

[Circle C]

ashley,
  That is the reason I uaed that dog as an example....you might note that some considered it a cull wheras others did not it seems that there is a pretty large grey are concerning culls.  Btw,thanks for clearing it up with getting bent out of shape...your deal on that dog is what came to mind first after reading this thread....I did not originally intend to single someone out

[hogtied]

sorry ashley I didnt mean to drag you into the fryin pan Like you said circle c, there are many variations of the word cull, and most people have different opinions on it, and everybody is entitled to their own opinion, with that said, there is no right or wrong answer, it comes down to personal preference my point is that they deserve a chance, many dogs have caught lead poisoning at my house... but they earned it LOL

[Rowdy]

Talk about beating a dead horse !!!

[hogtied]

no just beat a culled dog!!!  LOL

[dgdawsonBMCs]

What he is saying ashley is that some (not you obviously) would consider that a cull...I guess we should all agree that the word CULL can mean different things to different people..

That after all is the theme of this thread

[Circle C]

Dgdawson,
Thank you, you understood what I was trying to get across.