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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2013, 04:02:49 pm » |
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That's always been a worry with these kinds of dogs if they get way off and you cannot get to them. Its happen before and there has been some wrecks for sure . The good sure does out weigh the bad atleast in my mind it does. I know one of the reasons I bred grit down was I just thought I was tired of sewing up dogs. I found out now four years later am much much much sicker of chasing running ass hogs on marathons than I was of sewing up dogs . Also once I went to full good quality vest it helped 110% on the major injuries . That Cracker dog I will not hunt once it starts to get warm. I will hunt him in the cold weather this year and after this year I should not have to use him no more on hunts and just retire him to my stud dog here on the yard. I have his offspring coming up now and a few of them act just like him so far and will swallow a ear quick. Also I sure want to get him bred to the Misery gyp I got from Rooster if she turns out for me that will give me some 100% Family bred Fla dogs to work with and breed in and out of the family I have now .
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2013, 04:05:16 pm » |
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We've had rough dogs and loose dogs. Hands down prefer rough over loose dogs.
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2013, 04:08:46 pm » |
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Its not all about catching big hogs to me. I like going out and having fun catching whatever. Sow or boar. I don't mind catching shoats lol
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Catch em, tie em, drag em out!
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2013, 04:11:26 pm » |
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One more thing while I'm picking your post apart..   Your hogs must have some little bitty lungs... Our hogs run for miles without stopping.. I know they ain't running full blown.. More than likely blowing out and just at a steady trot staying ahead of our mouthy mutts.. But they dang sure ain't stopping 400 yards later to catch their breath... But then again it doesn't seem like our problem is with the bigger hogs like yours.. I don't know what to make of it, I'm just as frustrated as you with running hogs alot of the time, just a difference in how we are going about catching them..  |
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2013, 04:17:09 pm » |
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Sounds to me like you want a pack of running catch dogs..
Sounds to me like you want a pack of running catch dogs..
You could say that ! A RCD with no bulldog in them but maybe a tiny tiny dot of it some were some how way in the back of their genetics and the more I can breed it down and get the same results the better I will like it . A RCD but not just a RCD. I want RCD's that hunts hard not all bulked up like most that are noting more than bulldogs . I want them with good leg, great speed , quickness, great noses , wind , stamina , endurance in other words RCD's thats a great athlete with a back ground you can lean on . |
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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2013, 04:22:58 pm » |
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Stag or Stag x EBT crosses I wouldn't think a sight hound crossed over a bull terrier would produce anything with any nose to em, But I could be wrong. |
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2013, 04:27:12 pm » |
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One more thing while I'm picking your post apart.. Your hogs must have some little bitty lungs... Our hogs run for miles without stopping.. I know they ain't running full blown.. More than likely blowing out and just at a steady trot staying ahead of our mouthy mutts.. But they dang sure ain't stopping 400 yards later to catch their breath... But then again it doesn't seem like our problem is with the bigger hogs like yours.. I don't know what to make of it, I'm just as frustrated as you with running hogs alot of the time, just a difference in how we are going about catching them.. T. They are just not stopping to catch their breath hell man they love to fight a dog man and stop and fight . They will got a distance that they think they are safe I guess and sit down fight catch their breath what ever . Then most the time if we are leading bulldogs we will almost get to them close nuff I guess you could say to turn the CD loose and they are off to the races again. Its like them suckers know when that CD leaves your hands. They may go 400 yds sit down and fight then the next time they may go 600/800 more yds and sit down fight catch their breath what ever then leave again bout the time you get there. You are also right , not all of them do this a lot do but there is a lot that will just flat out leave man and never stop . It is man it is flustrating as hell man. I just do not have the land no more to run hogs for two three five miles . I know what you mean man I been right there in your shoes and in them now . Its not only me and you, truth be known its a whole damn lotta people but thems the kind that get every hog on every hunt ! |
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2013, 04:29:49 pm » |
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Stag or Stag x EBT crosses Man I cant wait to hear how yours turn out . I know one thing them son of a guns got some jets on them from what I can see in them pics you posted . |
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2013, 04:35:49 pm » |
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A lot of folks give me hell about running hogs last year and me getting smoked but am the kind I sure as hell don't mind posting getting my ass smoked . I will post either way smoking a big hogs ass are getting mine smoked . I sure just don't post all the success stories and the truth be known there is just as many on here that gets their ass smoked just as much are more. Ive caught my share of dang good hogs hell most are posted on here so it don't bother me one way are another proofs in the pudding . If you aint getting smoked at time you aint in the right hogs all I got to say !
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2013, 04:39:36 pm » |
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Texas,
I know ive said this to you before, but ill try it one more time. put cracker out with one other dog that will honor a bay and catch with another dog. Florida dogs have been bred for hundreds of years to do it ALONE, because back in the olden days there weren't a lot of dogs around here and IF you were lucky enough to have one you couldn't afford two. Just give it a shot is all im sayin, lotta the Florida guys on here will agree with this, these dogs are rank but smart. If they cant handle it they stay caught long enough to keep it there then bay till it tries to run again. if he is a young dog be prepared for a cut dog til he figures it out, but if hes like the rest ive been around he will figure it out.
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2013, 04:44:56 pm » |
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Have you tried sure enough loose baying dogs on them hogs? Hard to fight a dog that bays 15 yards back.. But like Bryant said, it really ain't a loose or rough dog thing.. They run with my loose ones, they run with your rough ones.. |
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2013, 05:30:00 pm » |
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rdjustham
I have not been able to try it yet. I kinda got disgusted and just cut things short back in the last part of Sept . Took a break in other words . Gonna start back in Jan soon as Deer season is over. Gonna put him with another good ruff type dog see what happens.
T.
Not really man I have never owned dogs that back off 15 / 20 feet off a hog.
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2013, 05:38:12 pm » |
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I want all my dogs back about 15 feet. If they're up in the hogs face nipping they might as well catch it because if they don't it'll be gone.
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2013, 05:49:28 pm » |
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I like them rough and catchy I can say this I catch more with my rough dog than I do with the loose ones but there is skilled dogs on both sides good luck to every one
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2013, 06:00:43 pm » |
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Absolutely right on skilled dogs in both but I have never caught as many hogs with rough dogs as I have loose dogs. either way I'm off work now this has helped pass my day so thanks for that!!
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2013, 08:42:59 pm » |
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I remember you posting a video of Horn on a hog and the way he nipped at it would cause most of the hogs around here to hightail it... And with the old gyp not committing to catch, maybe causing them to run?
I remember that video and I thought the exact same thing...hog was holding bay and Horn went in and busted the bay...the other dogs were setting back and baying... but I like dogs of the gritty type so that has happened to me many times in the past... I also have seen it written here about hunting gritty and rough dogs and with 4 or 5 of these dogs they run hogs and with one or 2 of the same dogs they catch hogs...it is my thinking that 1 or 2 dogs will only put there mouth on the hog if it tries to run so the hog tends to not feel threatened if he sits still...and these dogs tend to give a big boar some room if he is holding in thick brush...I have seen this many times with my own dogs I once had...right now I have the same type dogs but I hunt very little at this time for several reasons...not by choice... I have had a few dogs that could hold a hog by their selves and wear a big boar down...in the open 5 or 6 gritty strike dogs will keep a boar from running and wear it down...but the same dogs will be bay busters in thick terrain...leaves a man scratching his head...but that is why it is called hog hunting... hogs have gotten smarter and faster because mother nature does not make mistakes when culling out the dumb and slow hogs...we as human beings...because we are human make plenty of mistakes because we are all different and we all tend to have different ideas as to what a good hog dog is or should be...so the hogs in my opinion will have the advantage because mother nature has a better breeding program than us dog breeders...  seems to me that nowadays more wild hogs in the wild are born striped as compared to in the past...more of the Russian influence if you ask me...why is that? probably because these are the type of hogs that have a higher probability of escaping and this gives them the chance to breed another day...the cream rises to the top...this is my interpretation of what I have seen... those domesticated hogs that were free ranged ran wild, they were not dogged to catch them but only to round them up so there was no culling...if anything they probably would throw in a few big hogs in there to improve the quality of the herd for meat producing etc...etc... |
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2013, 07:13:33 am » |
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I remember you posting a video of Horn on a hog and the way he nipped at it would cause most of the hogs around here to hightail it... And with the old gyp not committing to catch, maybe causing them to run?
I remember that video and I thought the exact same thing...hog was holding bay and Horn went in and busted the bay...the other dogs were setting back and baying.. but I like dogs of the gritty type so that has happened to me many times in the past... I also have seen it written here about hunting gritty and rough dogs and with 4 or 5 of these dogs they run hogs and with one or 2 of the same dogs they catch hogs...it is my thinking that 1 or 2 dogs will only put there mouth on the hog if it tries to run so the hog tends to not feel threatened if he sits still...and these dogs tend to give a big boar some room if he is holding in thick brush...I have seen this many times with my own dogs I once had...right now I have the same type dogs but I hunt very little at this time for several reasons...not by choice... I have had a few dogs that could hold a hog by their selves and wear a big boar down...in the open 5 or 6 gritty strike dogs will keep a boar from running and wear it down...but the same dogs will be bay busters in thick terrain...leaves a man scratching his head...but that is why it is called hog hunting... hogs have gotten smarter and faster because mother nature does not make mistakes when culling out the dumb and slow hogs...we as human beings...because we are human make plenty of mistakes because we are all different and we all tend to have different ideas as to what a good hog dog is or should be...so the hogs in my opinion will have the advantage because mother nature has a better breeding program than us dog breeders... seems to me that nowadays more wild hogs in the wild are born striped as compared to in the past...more of the Russian influence if you ask me...why is that? probably because these are the type of hogs that have a higher probability of escaping and this gives them the chance to breed another day...the cream rises to the top...this is my interpretation of what I have seen... those domesticated hogs that were free ranged ran wild, they were not dogged to catch them but only to round them up so there was no culling...if anything they probably would throw in a few big hogs in there to improve the quality of the herd for meat producing etc...etc... X 2 There are a lot of reasons why hogs run more today & reuben nailed two of them. Also Terrain plays a big factor. With cutovers now, & a hogs preference for thick country just makes it hard for the dogs to wear one out. |
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2013, 08:14:21 am » |
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I agree with Rueben as I said in my post!! Hogs are no different in Texas, Florida, Ga, etc. they will run when threatened by a pack of dogs, but tend to settle down and fight with 1-2 solid good hunting dogs on them. The bigger the hog, the more confident they are on standing their ground. Younger smaller hogs tend to use their athletics to get away from a threat. Of course a pack of RCD will work in the open, but put that same group in the thick cover and they will prolong the race. Catching big 300lb hogs on a regular basis is rare any where. It does not mean the dogs you have are any better then the man who does not catch them. It only means you have bigger hogs in the area you hunt!! Plus a big old boar hog puts out a whole helleva lot more scent, makes more noise running through cover, and they are not near as agile or athletic as a medium to smaller hog. To me that means easier to find and catch!
RD is right on running 1-2 Fl Curs, or dogs that are like them. That's the way a lot of us hunt here and we catch plenty of hogs. Are terrain is wet, thick and as nasty as any where. That is why the Fl Cur was developed, to work in that type of terrain handling rough scrub cattle, as well as hunting hogs.
Remember, hunt what you want and how you want, your feeding them. We are all just brain storming and having a good conversation about hunting hogs with dogs.
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