Pit Bull History

[TexasHogDogs]

Ok guys now that the smoke has cleared from all the brain farts I had last nite from trying to remember a lot of things I have not even give a second thought about for years on top of years now lets see if I can clear some of this stuff up.

Now the ole Family dogs were dogs that were brought in from other countrys back around the turn of the century around the 1900's and even late 1800's.  They called these dogs the ole Family dogs because they came from Ireland , Scottland  and  some from England from the ole familys that bred these dogs back then.  They came in all colors Red, Buckskin and even Black dogs .  Also they came in Red Noses and Black Noses.

Here is the deal , Colby imported a lot of these dogs well Wilder got a holt of a lot of them as did Mr Hemphill and Sarona but Sorana is a differnt deal as you will see later on in this post .  Now  Wilder is the man that should get most the credit for the Old Family Red Nose dogs because Wilder is the man that intinally seperated the Red nose dogs from the black nosed dogs he believed for some reason that the Red Nose dogs were more game than the black nose dogs and so he went fourth with his program and here they became the Old Family Red Nose dogs the birth of that family of dogs .

Now Hemphill was in there with Wilder but what seperated Wilder from Hemphill was Hemphill did not care about the nose color of dogs all he cared about was the talent and the gameness of these dogs so he bred Red Nosed dogs and Black nosed dogs and bred them together according to there skills and gamenss .  Ok now this is what seperates the two men and the two differnt types of dogs I was telling you about the Old Family Red Nose dogs which is  a stricked family of dogs with all red noses  and the Old Family Reds which were dogs that Hemphill bred and they came in Red Noses and also in black noses .

 Keep in mind now Hemphill and Wilder were bulldog crazy and all of there dogs were tested and culled hard hard hard.

Ok now.

In around the 1960 era I think this is the correct date but now enters Mr Sarona I think that is spelled right dont know .  But Sarona enters the picture in the 1960's and he starts to breed Red Nosed dogs and strickly Red Nose dogs but Sarona did not test and check a lot of his dogs if any and he started to breed show dogs .  So Sarona yes had a family of dogs but they were not tested like the Wilder / Hemphill lines were and there for this is were the Red Nosed dogs started to suffer threw the years and a lot of them became show dogs instead of performace dogs .  You could not give me a Sarona dog !  Period !

Ok now .  There were only like four different Old Family lines of dogs that came from Ireland , Scottland  and England to make the American Pit Bull Terrier . 

Now there was a Old Family line that was called the Blu Paul line of dogs and this line of dogs were black dogs and this is were like the Joe Corvino types of dogs came from and a lot of Tudor dogs if am thinking right and on down the line to the Eli line of dogs this is why the Eli dogs were black dogs .  I think cant remember again but I think Con Feely dogs were crossed with this Blu Paul line of old family dogs and this is were Tudors Black Jack came from hell am trying to remember again .

Anyway I will think some more on all of this but hope yall enjoy this read .  Its amazing what a man can forget when he is not around it everyday like he was for almost 30 yrs . Lived and breathed bulldogs .

[TexasHogDogs]

Also the mans name I was trying to think of last nite that bred the Old Family Reds his name was Winstead and let me tell you from what I hear and was told and know those dogs were some of the best dogs to ever breath .  I dont know if you can find much info on Winstead are not but those were some fine fine dogs Old Family Reds.

It was rumored years ago that Boudreaxs Buttons was a pure Winstead dog go look her ped up it is not right from the old information and sources I know and believe.

Talking on the Blu Paul old family line the black dogs. Mayfeild  dogs were had a lot of this old family of dogs way in the back the Blu Paul family of black dogs ,  Maloney dogs had the old family dogs in them it just goes on and on .

[Easttex91]

So Colby had little to do with it once the dogs had been imported? And where does Carver come into play?

Thanks for this I find myself fascinated with this history over the past few months.

[TexasHogDogs]

Aw yeah man Colby had a lot to do with all of it .  He was the one that was getting  his friends and buddys from other countrys to import the dogs he would ck the dogs out  and if he liked this are that he would tell them hey get this kind of dogs imported and from what I heard they would and then Colby would buy them .  He had his own line of dogs himself from all of this .  Thats how from what I understand Wilder and Hemphill got there start in it all .

[TexasHogDogs]

Carver started out as only a refree and he went to all the big time stuff he met all the high rollers and big money guys and became friends with them all by doing big time refree work besides he was a party Hound lol that didnt hurt him and he was ahahhaahhaahah smooth man smooth .  By doing all of this he knew were all the great and good dogs were and who was who .  He was given this dog are that dog bred this one and that one and then bought dogs also and si the Carver line of dogs were born . 

[TexasHogDogs]

You know most all of this we are talking about  was before my time I just got to know lots of people and became great friends with a lot of bulldog legends and so by doing so I had the privilege of gaining all this information everything I know from their knowledge .  The old old men .   

[TexasHogDogs]

I would like to also say that most of this is pretty dang accurate from the real sources over time.  Now am sure some of it can be corrected because my memory is not as good as it use to be when I studied all of this night and day.  So if any one that knows more than I do are has more good info on all of this and would like to jump in please do so it will not hurt my feelings at all .  The way I see it if I can be corrected with good hard info thats a better thing for me and I will have just learned something new .  So please if you see something and know about it jump right on in here and we will do our best to get to the bottom of it .  Its noting but History people just history that some has been written about documented and everything else in books and other means  .

[Fixitlouie]

thats alot of Info....thanks

from me.....who else. tapatalk

[Purebreedcolt]

Man that soubds about like what I have read most of the lines today are a mix of these lines.

[Easttex91]

Now two more gator and chinaman?

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

I'm gonna enjoy this 'un.

[TexasHogDogs]

Speaking of Carver from all my old friends that knew Carver personal and there was more than a few.   There is one old old pictular personal friend of mine that knew him well and what was going on back in those days and was in the mix and ran with all these guys .  This is how it was explained to me about Carver.

Anyone that knows anything about Bulldog history knows that Earl Tudor was the man plain and simple he was the light of day and the dark of nite so to speak the Man of the bulldog world and still the man even in death  !

Now Tudor was a dogman and there was not many dogs that was let off his yard and if they were,  from what I was told you paid the price and he never let anything out that was better than what he had .  This is how he made a lot of his money.  The dogs he had he worked and used himself they were not dogs to just look at and sit on chains .

Well as it was told to me as Earl Tudor got up in his older years he could not take care of all his dogs like he use to and some dogs started slipping  threw the cracks , some were stolen I was told and they just filtered away as he got older and then died.
D.B was a great friend to Tudor and from what I have been told Tudor looked upon him as nearly a son and Earl gave D.B his start in dogs at a very young age.  Some of the dogs D.B. got as one would expect .

Now the others slipped threw the cracks and crevises as one would expect and others I was told were stolen and more than a few people benifitted from Tudors death other wise nobody would have ever got there hands on these dogs.

Carver was one that knew Tudor and he knew were alot of these dogs were and who knows how he got his hands on them am not one to say but after Tudors death Carver  ended up with more than a hand full of these Tudor dogs.

As I had said there was more than one that bennifited from Tudors death not only Carver but some of these dogs made there way to R.G , F.B. , Mayfield and a few others all dogmen that went on to be leadgens of their times . 

These Tudor dogs were potent as most know Tudors Dibo, Tudors Jeff, Black Widow, Tudors Spike , Tudors Black Jack and many many more they are all in the back of all of Carvers dogs , Boudreax dogs , Greenwoods dogs , Mayfeilds dogs  all the great  great old breeders and they owe it all to Earl Tudor and what he done to keep that family of dogs all the years that he had them.  They were not pedigrees they were dogs and great ones at that .

Back to Carver .  Once Carver got his hands on these Tudor dogs he took off like a Tomahawk Missile .  Carvers Miss Spike , Carvers or Tudors Black Widow , Arts Missy and it just goes on and on .  The same as Boudreax dogs Blind Billy , Boze , Eli , Spook .  The same goes for Mayfeild most all of the great dogs from Mayfeild are Tudor dogs ,  The Greenwood dogs and it just goes on all these great dogs right off all those great Tudor dogs that got scattered when Tudor died .

It all started with Colby importing dogs and the breeders of his time and from there to the Tudor era along with Corvino, Trahan Hinze, Bert Clouse  and all those guys in that era and then to the breeders that we all know so much Boudreax, Mayfeild, Maloney , Greenwood, Sorrells and many more of this era .

I know I left a lot out but this is how it was explained to me by a great old dog man of old old times.

[WayOutWest]

At one point Tudor could not get a match so he would throw out a 3 match deal where he would have to win all 3 to win the purse. If you could beat him in one you won it all. I hear he didn't lose many doing that.

[TexasHogDogs]

Yeah Tudor was a son of a gun man from everything I been told threw the years.  Mean as a rattle snake too from what I heard.

Man if any of yall know anything about what I posted eariler on Carver and all that stuff hell put it up there because what I have said is what I was told and may not all be excatly right but I think a whole lot of it pretty accurate  but there is different sides to the storys I know.   This is just from the men I knew and what they had to say about all of it .

[WayOutWest]

When you bought a dog or pup from Carver it was pretty unlikely that it was bred the way he said it was. He would give you the meal but not the recipe. That being said, he was great about replacing one if it didn't work out. Some of the best dogs out there with Carvers name on them have false papers.

[Reuben]

Jimmy...if Tudor was the ultimate dogman for the game dogs then he must of had the eye for a dog with heart and gameness...probably tested as hard as anyone and only bred the very best and no less...must of kept them related to a certain point...I don't know any of how those men bred dogs back then for the ultimate game but I sure would like to know...any other way and there must of been a lot of culls...I know to breed a great line of curs takes what I mentioned above but never have known how the elites bred their game dogs...what do you know about their breeding strategy/programs???

[TexasHogDogs]

Rueben ,  Tudor was the ulitmate dog man , dog handler, dog conditioner and dog breeder.  He was all of it rolled up in one man .  Eye for dogs , knew dogs inside and out .
Most of all he culled his dogs and back in those days it was all legal to do what he done .  His culling is proably what made his line of dogs so great and he used what he bred it was no selling pups are dogs if he bred it he used it himself .  When he bred dogs he bred best to best but he had so many and culled so hard that lots of times the best of best were related and if they were not it made no difference because they were such great dogs and then later on he would take one that made the cut that was bred like that one and family bred.  It is no different than the way we breed dogs now but he was the ulitmate culler and had the greatest dogs but most of all he never bred on pedigree he bred performace animal to performace animal and if it so happened it was related so be it .  Am sure after so many great breedings he knew which ones were related of his great dogs and bred accordling .  Atleast this is what I was told and know threw men that knew him.  From what am told when he looked at a dog there were no slip up no second chances you blink a eye or made a mistake the dog was out of there gone no excuses . 

[TexasHogDogs]

Reuben,  I think this is a lot of what is wrong with a lot of lines of dogs today .  Everybody wants to family breed everybody wants how do I say this everybody wants to have dogs that are great dogs but also look great on paper the people that register dogs .  This is all great but it is a mistake if you are not culling it is a double mistake are if you are not culling like you are suppose to be it is a double mistake because one set of bad genes can ruin five gens of great great great properly culled generations of dogs .  Then you send out the pups some make it some don't the ones that do are now carrying those bad genes some were some how now this man takes this dog he makes a dog but not a great dog then he breeds him now the bad genes are getting distributed again and he breeds her to a average female that has some bad genes in her now all these bad genes are compiling , same thing again some make it some don't all average dogs now the ones that gots these dogs breed them and they are average and it just keeps going on and on never getting great great dogs all average to culls .  Then is some lines they breed pretty paper to make that almighty dollar they inbreed they heavy line breed just to get Joe Blow in there 20 times and say they got pure this and pure that when really they got pure chit .  This is why you breed best to best first then best to best again and again then worry about making your family of dogs now you are set with a clean gene pool for the most part to start your family of dogs you take and breed half bro to half sister out of your best to best breedings and go from there building your family of dogs best to best first again family breed and keep family breeding until it tells you its time to cross and start all over again .  Just stop and think about all these high dollar family of dogs how many glorified breeders have done this bred average dogs just to make the ped look great and more money in the pocket .  Its no wonder there is so many average dogs and culls in this world if you don't use what you breed then its since less to even breed a dog are if you are not culling you are just trying to make money .

Dont even make no since !

[BigFool]

They didn't call Maurice the "SILVER FOX" for no reason!!!

[Amokabs]

Where does Mister Crenshaw fit into the scheme of things, as far as legendary breeders go,, in ya'lls opinion?