Bottom

[Judge peel]

Would like to here some of what y'all think bottom is why you like or diss like. Was out with my buddy texsteve85 the other night got on a few but missed them his dog gritt ran one for over 6 miles and 2 1/2 hrs now I have been on a lot of races that last few hrs and few miles but most of them ended with us getting the hog. I can say that gritt is the real deal dog he just lost him at the end but any way lets here what y'all think

[reatj81]

Several months ago their was a really good post on bottom.   It would be great if we could give it a bump.   


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[t-dog]

We hunt dogs with a lot of bottom and I am usually very proud of it. Sometimes though, I won't lie, I think that the alligators are the way to go, LOL. It seems like every now and then you just draw one that is a track star. Our one dog isn't gritty enough to get it shut down and it runs so hard so fast that you play hell getting help there. Seems like it happens more when we get in a group of hogs. We catch one or the hogs break bay and the dogs wind up in different directions. While your going to dog A and B, dog C is getting further and further. By the time you get to his turn he is too far to get help to him. I think it's one of those damned if you don't and sometimes damned if you do situations. I decided I'd rather take a chance on being damned if you do, JMO.

[Judge peel]

That is exactly what happen to us I run one with decent bottom he is loose on his own but will teeth a runner the rest are very rough and catchy works good for me

[KevinN]

What I like in Bottom can change depending on where I hunt 

[brad s]

It depends on the situation to me whether I like it or not. I can't stand to chase 80lb hogs all Mornin to not get anything but tired dogs. Now if it's a big hog I want them to stay with it but only prob with that is big boars will run thru sows an shoats and that happens good bit around here

[bigo]

Bottom is the determination to complete a task at all cost, even his own life. It is up to us to decide how much of that we can use these days. It got to be a real problem before I was forced to quit hunting. I allways said I would quit hunting before I would breed less bottom and it got decided for me.

[fonzie]

What I like in Bottom can change depending on where I hunt 

Plz explain??

[KevinN]

What I like in Bottom can change depending on where I hunt 

Plz explain??

Distance...and which direction hogs break.....I'll cross a fence but I obviously don't want them getting TOO far off my place.

[hoghunter71409]

Simply said..bottom = not giving up.

Whether it is a catch dog or a hunting dog, I believe a dog must not give up on catching or hunting game.

[KevinN]

Simply said..bottom = not giving up.

Whether it is a catch dog or a hunting dog, I believe a dog must not give up on catching or hunting game.

I kinda disagree here....if my best dog or CD is cut down (life threatening) I'd much rather them give up and come back to me. Give me a chance to save them...let them work another day. No doubt about it...my Emmet CD would be dead if he stayed after that last group....as it is...he'll be heading back out REAL soon.

[hoghunter71409]

A dog that gives up and doesn't have bottomis a cull to me.  I've had many dogs that were cut badly stayed bayed or keep running until I catch them; and they still want to go.  My catch dog sure better stayed caught or die trying.  If you want your dog to give up-you may want to relook your own individual mental toughness.

Maybe another topic but it sounds like your dogs may be tougher than you.  So how many people want a dog that is cut to quit or come back?  Not me.  Me and my dogs are out to catch game and we want a caught hog at the end of the hunt. 

[Judge peel]

I agree I would rather have to go get them then have them come back empty handed or should I say quit a hog but the second you say you got this or that your dogs will say other wise lol

[KevinN]

A dog that gives up and doesn't have bottomis a cull to me.  I've had many dogs that were cut badly stayed bayed or keep running until I catch them; and they still want to go.  My catch dog sure better stayed caught or die trying.  If you want your dog to give up-you may want to relook your own individual mental toughness.

Maybe another topic but it sounds like your dogs may be tougher than you.  So how many people want a dog that is cut to quit or come back?  Not me.  Me and my dogs are out to catch game and we want a caught hog at the end of the hunt. 

I'll say this...you got some BALLS talkin about someone's mental toughness when you wouldn't know them from Adam. How old are you? You ever serve in the Military, in a Combat unit? Learn to think before you speak.

Personally....I think your full of it. I seriously doubt you'd cull your best dog if he came back to you with his guts hangin out.

ALL TALK!!

[t-dog]

Myself, I always related bottom and stamina more closely than bottom and gameness. I do agree though that a dog has too have the certain degree of mental toughness to stay in a race along with the physical ability. If they are lacking in either area, they simply won't be able to go. But, I don't know if my present bay dogs, if cut all to pieces would die to finish a hog. I hope I don't have to find out. I do know that they will stay hooked for hours upon hours even when they had some cuts. I've seen them come by after being in the woods all day catching hogs and leave bloody foot prints as they go by and bay another hog a couple hundred yards later. As for my catch dog quitting, it better not happen. I can tell you from experience that it is a pretty bad feeling to have to army crawl into a hog only to see the catch dog setting there not doing anything or even attempting to. The only reason I didn't get eat up in there was that my strike dog was on the opposite side of the hog from me. When the hog started to me, he grabbed it in the rear and it turned to get him off. That allowed me to get the back leg and control. Needless to say, that fella didn't like what I had to say about his prized catch dog.

[wine6978]

I agree on if a strike dog is gutted then I am o.k. with them stopping and not dragging their intestines all over, but a catch dog better stay caught no matter what to me... I don't care how bad they get cut down they darn well better keep going and trying, not coming to me to find me. That's just me. And I will get rid of a catch dog that will quit a hog in any circumstance.

[hoghunter71409]

I'm 37

I' survived a combat tour in Iraq 2003 before contractors were every wehere...not sure why that's means anything.

My best dog would not come back with her guts hanging out- she would have bayed the hog or died trying.  If you don't believe me, ask BA-IV.  He can vouch for her and my other dogs. 

I have no question about my mental toughness and my dogs ability to stay when the going gets tough.  Sounds to me like when one of your pouches gets a little cut you are calling for them to come back.

I don't care how bad my dogs are hurt; I don't want them to give up...any they wont give up.  They will die trying or they will slow down so much that I have to go and get them.

[oconee]

Simply said..bottom = not giving up.

Whether it is a catch dog or a hunting dog, I believe a dog must not give up on catching or hunting game.

I kinda disagree here....if my best dog or CD is cut down (life threatening) I'd much rather them give up and come back to me. Give me a chance to save them...let them work another day. No doubt about it...my Emmet CD would be dead if he stayed after that last group....as it is...he'll be heading back out REAL soon.

[oconee]

Mike Tyson Said:  Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth!!!!   I want my dogs to maintain that plan after several punches!!!!    Bottom is the one sole difference in a dog that will find a hog and a HOG DOG like it or not!!!!   Me and my 9 year old son were trying to catch our dogs off a bad walking, fighting bear one day.  Every dog had been bite and chewed up but we still couldn't get them off after 7 hours.  After walking 2 miles into them bayed, only to have the bear break again I looked my young son right in the eyes and said:  Good dogs are harder to follow than junk!!!  If you can't have dogs to run off the property you hunt, I understand that, but try to justify those kind of dogs for everyone.  Giving up is not an option,  good dogs don't!!!!

[KevinN]

I'm 37

I' survived a combat tour in Iraq 2003 before contractors were every wehere...not sure why that's means anything.

My best dog would not come back with her guts hanging out- she would have bayed the hog or died trying.  If you don't believe me, ask BA-IV.  He can vouch for her and my other dogs. 

I have no question about my mental toughness and my dogs ability to stay when the going gets tough.  Sounds to me like when one of your pouches gets a little cut you are calling for them to come back.

I don't care how bad my dogs are hurt; I don't want them to give up...any they wont give up.  They will die  go and get them.

Mental toughness and ignorance are two different things. Again your running your mouth and don't know what the hell your talking about. Have I ever said that I've called my dogs off when they were cut? Don't make assumptions it just makes you look like an ass.

Really?  

"I don't care how bad my dogs are hurt; I don't want them to give up...any they wont give up.  They will die  go and get them."

This coming from a man who gets on to people for showing pics/videos of hogs being stuck. What do you think P.E.T.A. would do with that statement.  

Keep flapping your jaws....your a peach