Reinventing the wheel?

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Why would you consider a rank hog to be any problem related to this topic?

[OWL Black Mouth Curs]

Crib: SPEED, nose, holding power, a dog able to withstand punishment if need be, all in ONE. If you've ever been hunting in these marshes and swamps, you'd understand why we don't want a race. Even good 'purebred' dogs are having difficulty stopping them here. We need that speed.

Mr. Paul: Great post, thank you. My sentiments exactly.

mrs la, i think it's going to take more than a catahoula to put nose into them if the stag and bull terriers are in the mix...

[Crib]

Why would you consider a rank hog to be any problem related to this topic?

Not sure what you mean.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

I'm sure, that's a tough test for any individual dog of any type.

So now my question is to the ETHD board. Is there anyone out there that has a specific breed of dog that has the tools to do this type of task with the things that she described in the terrain she described and produces that in is offspring? Something that you personally own and use.. no rumors.

First off I don't hunt swamps, but hunt where I don't want a race, some of my country is real rough with no vehicle access or has a couple hundred foot cliff edge.

There are several people working on and producing dogs of this type, I happen to have a couple. But I often use a team of dogs for this type of work and that team will vary a bit in composition. There is not really any question that this type of dog exists and can be reproduced.

The test, so to speak, is not that tough believe it or not.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Crib: SPEED, nose, holding power, a dog able to withstand punishment if need be, all in ONE. If you've ever been hunting in these marshes and swamps, you'd understand why we don't want a race. Even good 'purebred' dogs are having difficulty stopping them here. We need that speed.

Mr. Paul: Great post, thank you. My sentiments exactly.

mrs la, i think it's going to take more than a catahoula to put nose into them if the stag and bull terriers are in the mix...

Well, the cats that we have hunted behind, have proven well in the nose department. We've never had any complaints on the breed's ability, so we will use them. I know there's a lot of anti cat folks on here, and a lot of die hard yeller dog folks too, but we have no reason to doubt what the cat has to offer in this cross.

You'd be surprised at the sniffer ability on the stags and bulls....don't forget, they are canine after all....just because they were bred for different purposes doesn't mean their factory receptors vanish.

Hell we owned (RIP) an APBT here that for years, we took out solo.....and that dog found and caught his own hogs, on multiple occasions.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

mrs la, i think it's going to take more than a catahoula to put nose into them if the stag and bull terriers are in the mix...

I have straight stags that wind and run their own track, its not un-common for a stag to have a tracking nose.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Why would you consider a rank hog to be any problem related to this topic?

Not sure what you mean.

The job description involves catching and holding a rank boar.

[OWL Black Mouth Curs]

Crib: SPEED, nose, holding power, a dog able to withstand punishment if need be, all in ONE. If you've ever been hunting in these marshes and swamps, you'd understand why we don't want a race. Even good 'purebred' dogs are having difficulty stopping them here. We need that speed.

Mr. Paul: Great post, thank you. My sentiments exactly.

mrs la, i think it's going to take more than a catahoula to put nose into them if the stag and bull terriers are in the mix...

Well, the cats that we have hunted behind, have proven well in the nose department. We've never had any complaints on the breed's ability, so we will use them. I know there's a lot of anti cat folks on here, and a lot of die hard yeller dog folks too, but we have no reason to doubt what the cat has to offer in this cross.

You'd be surprised at the sniffer ability on the stags and bulls....don't forget, they are canine after all....just because they were bred for different purposes doesn't mean their factory receptors vanish.

Hell we owned (RIP) an APBT here that for years, we took out solo.....and that dog found and caught his own hogs, on multiple occasions.

i'm feeding 9 stags and 4 stag crosses.
stag blood will knock a huge dent into the nose department on your crosses.
when i make crosses i like to use something with more nose than a cur (catahoula OR blackmouth) and use it from the female side.

this is just my personal experience with them, it doesn't mean they all won't have noses.
i have some stags that i'd say have a decent nose for a sighthound, but nose is not a fixed or consistent trait in these type of dogs.

[Crib]

ok I didn't say holding but I do mean that also.

[OWL Black Mouth Curs]

also, the straight stag blood i run has been "juiced up" a time or two for nose over the years, they all go back somewhere at some point to running hound blood or pointer blood that was bred in to keep them pushing a coyote track after loosing him in rough country.

also if the stag blood your using has a good dose of hotblood look for your nose inheritance to go down even more in your crosses...

not trying to be a bummer about it. just saying stag blood is good blood and a good tool in crossing as long as you know what it will bring to the table and the best way to utilize it.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

OWL, what part of the country did your stag blood come from?

[OWL Black Mouth Curs]

new mexico, and north dakota. theres dogs behind them from all over. but they were bred for rougher type country.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Thanks OWL, your right in that we would need to use Stag lines that were bred for rough or brushy country to help with the nose.

My have come from Clint Bowman in Kansas, he breeds for nose. The others from a man in Colorado who hunts horseback. The Colorado dogs have an extra shot of Deerhound and Wolf hound they are showing good nose at this time.

I run my old female from Clint at night with the Cats, she's got a good nose and will run her own hot track in the dark.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

And tell me about your crosses.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

MrsL, What size dogs are you looking for in your end result? Weight and height.

[OWL Black Mouth Curs]

And tell me about your crosses.

i keep a pair of have stag half bulldogs for catch dogs, and have a trig/stag and a pointer/stag.

the two crosses are still green, but a little staggier than i'd like at half on hogs, i'll prolly like the next generation just right putting a solid cur with a good nose over them. those pups should be right about where its at. i have had the best results doing true threeways with them.
stag/running hound, pointer, or hound with a real solid cur over the top of that...

i mainly like to keep the halfbloods around to go back into the stag side.

[Reuben]

I love the bigger colder nosed mt curs but I like adding just a touch of stock cur to maintain a decent size and make them just a little quieter on track...but this time around it will be a touch of APBT of the leggy and game type...already have one in mind...

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

MrsL, What size dogs are you looking for in your end result? Weight and height.

Well, my Stags are between 28" and 30" at the shoulder. Crossing in the other breeds of course I'm likely to lose some height. I'd at least like them to average the same height as a standard sized Catahoula would be, for comparison. Weight isn't as important to me so long as they have enough arse behind them to anchor down.

[Jimt3]

I think this is an awesome topic and I'm excited for more updates MrsL!
Owl: I'd love to hear more about your dogs! What kind of hound have you bred into your crosses?

[Jimt3]

Owl, sorry just scrolled up further!