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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2009, 09:15:09 am » |
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Stoked: Your Vest is the Ugly Dog Kevlar Vest. It is our economy kevlar vest. It only has one layer of kevlar. If you want more protection, I suggest getting the Guardian Kevlar vest. You have the option of 2, 3, or 4 layers of kevlar sandwiched betweeb 2 layers of Cordura. We get postive feedback on this vest all the time. Also the Devastator vest has 3 layers of kevlar in the neck and chest areas between 2 layers of cordura and the body has 2 layers kevlar between 2 of cordura. No vest is unpuncturable. If it saved your dogs life then it did its job! (WBUSA)
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2009, 09:40:04 am » |
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I agree that the UDR Devastator cut vests do their job. I have not had a cut through up to date. I am sure it will happen one day but my vests have held together and saved my dogs butts many times from big teeth. Heres a picture of a few of my RCDs. 
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2009, 09:47:30 am » |
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The vest you have pictured is the Ugly Dog Cut vest. It does not have any kevlar in it. Its base has 3 layers of cordura and the front and side panels have wet felt inside. (WBUSA)
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2009, 11:32:13 am » |
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a ton of hogs must hunt 24/7 everybody has one opinion and asssholes think i like what ever it takes
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2009, 11:37:02 am » |
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If the matterial was put in a vest then it had to be cut. There fore no vest is cut proof. If you were to make a matterial that was cut proof how would you make a vest out of it? 
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2009, 11:48:49 am » |
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If the matterial was put in a vest then it had to be cut. There fore no vest is cut proof. If you were to make a matterial that was cut proof how would you make a vest out of it? Grin Ditto!
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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2009, 12:49:03 pm » |
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Stoked, your vest did its job, your dog is alive to hunt another day. If you want a vest that has MORE cut resistance, then order a different vest. Uglydog has many styles that have more Kevlar and are VERY cut resistant as others have said.
Its just not the fabrics that go into a vest that make it stop a tusk. How it is designed and how the layers are put together and how much quilting is done. There is a balancing act between being cut proof, and mobility, and being cool enough to run when its hot, and amount of coverage.
You must take the time to understand the holding style of your dog, the conditions you hunt in, the temperatures you hunt in, the coverage you desire, and the mobility you want your dog to have while wearing a vest. I have 5 different styles of vest that I run on my catch dogs. I pick the best vest or plate for conditions on each hunt.
I believe that Uglydog makes the best full vests, and L3 makes the best breast plates.....make the choice that will work best for your dog in the conditions you hunt in.
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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2009, 01:29:26 pm » |
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I bought a guardian kevlar and met up with a 330lbs bad a$$ that left 7 holes in my brand new vest right off the bat but it save the dogs life and thats what it was intended for , ugly dog will repair the holes or neck piece on your vest, I think there a top notch outfit , I also think if all you got was one hole you fared out pretty good
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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2009, 05:26:31 pm » |
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I have a guy that sews my vests for me. They are made of two layers of 1000 Denier Cordura (green inside, Mossy Oak Camo on the outside) with one layer of Viper cloth between the two layers of Cordura. There is also a piece of wet felt in the chest plate area of the vest. I agree that probably no vest is 100% cut/poke proof but we have had good luck with these. They are flexable enough that the dogs mobility isn't hindered, yet stout enough to protect the dog as well as most vests can. Plus we can make them 2" longer (to the end of the rib cage) with a cut out for male dogs. You can see pics at www.crackercreations.net. I would post a pic here, but am having trouble posting pics due to my slow a** dial up connection here at home...........
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« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2009, 08:02:50 pm » |
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Stoked: Your Vest is the Ugly Dog Kevlar Vest. It is our economy kevlar vest. It only has one layer of kevlar. If you want more protection, I suggest getting the Guardian Kevlar vest. You have the option of 2, 3, or 4 layers of kevlar sandwiched betweeb 2 layers of Cordura. We get postive feedback on this vest all the time. Also the Devastator vest has 3 layers of kevlar in the neck and chest areas between 2 layers of cordura and the body has 2 layers kevlar between 2 of cordura. No vest is unpuncturable. If it saved your dogs life then it did its job! (WBUSA)
i've looked at all the vests on uglydog... ive hunted around them and agree that the guardian and devastator are great vests. i just can't make myself spend $180. I like my economy kevlar vest, i just can't believe it got cut through that soon/ easy. i just don't understand how mike and them have been running 1 layer of kevlar and a couple other materials excluding viper cloth and they have been on 200+ trophy boars without a single cut through. This was why i was asking which grade of kevlar you guys are using. Ill probably end up buying a devastator or elimator if that is what it takes to keep my dogs safe. I just thought you can run less layers with good grade treated kevlar. i don't want a bunch of weight on my catch dog, we hunt around a lot of water. a vest like that could be dangerous for my bulldog if he got in the water and i couldn't get to the bay. i haven't tried the viper cloth because it's thick and stiff. i would only be able to run 1 layer of that. the dogs don't wanna roll if they can't move. they start coming back early and don't wanna leave. it's hard enough far em as thick as it is. the last hunt i got out the boat and called a few dogs out because they had been on a long run and i nearly wanted to cry when i saw the crap they were coming through. those poor dogs are so tough.
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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2009, 08:08:57 pm » |
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I have a guy that sews my vests for me. They are made of two layers of 1000 Denier Cordura (green inside, Mossy Oak Camo on the outside) with one layer of Viper cloth between the two layers of Cordura. There is also a piece of wet felt in the chest plate area of the vest. I agree that probably no vest is 100% cut/poke proof but we have had good luck with these. They are flexable enough that the dogs mobility isn't hindered, yet stout enough to protect the dog as well as most vests can. Plus we can make them 2" longer (to the end of the rib cage) with a cut out for male dogs. You can see pics at www.crackercreations.net. I would post a pic here, but am having trouble posting pics due to my slow a** dial up connection here at home........... do you know where to get the 1000 denier cordura mossy oak camo material. we can't get it anymore... do you have a name and number?
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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2009, 11:20:20 pm » |
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Caney Creek Hog Doggers:
The vest you have pictured is the Ugly Dog Cut vest. It does not have any kevlar in it. Its base has 3 layers of cordura and the front and side panels have wet felt inside. (WBUSA)
I understand that wet felt is supposed to help in the water, I have two of these vests and they do worst out of the others, the guardian seems to do the trick. Idk what I'm talking about just rambling off stuff I hear, I know ya'll can't be perfect on all the products but all the products have saved some lives and they make it through another hunt, so I'm satisfied.I'll be seeing ya'll next week, me and my dad need more vest and supplies!!
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2009, 05:41:02 am » |
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wet felt is not good in water. It will wick up mosture.
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2009, 08:09:48 am » |
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Stoked, we bought a bunch of the Mossy Oak material when we had the chance, not sure if they still make it or not. Now I see mostly what they call the "digital" camo, which I don't care for. I may have to go to solid color Cordura when I am out of the Mossy Oak.
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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2009, 09:28:43 am » |
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wet felt is not good in water. It will wick up mosture.
Well that explains it all, I almost lost several dogs due to the vest getting way to heavy in the water!!!
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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2009, 10:11:52 am » |
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Stoked, I have tried to stay out of this discussion because I am very Strong opinioniated about what works best and why.
You asked how Mike and the others have been on so many trophy hogs with no cuts through the vest. Here is my Honest opinion and no offense meant to anyone. 1. All materials will meat that particular hog that really tests it, it does not have to be a big hog, not the longest tusks, it can 1" cutters on a 150 lb boar. That particular hog, That particular day, and the way your dog stands his ground, makes all the difference. The chance that that vest will get cut again are very slim, maybe never. 2. How far are you sending your dog? Is the dog Knee deep in mud? So the dog is forceed to stand and not move? This is about absorbtion of impact, Force has to be absorbed somewhere /somehow and if there is "NO GIVE" then the dog and the Vest have to absorb the impact of a sharp object. 3. Anybody turning there dog loose and haveing the dog stay caught for several minutes before you take the hogs momentum away, by Taking his legs out from under him, Well you are at MUCH greater RISK for these vests and your dogs absorbing the IMPACT and TAKING CUTS, PERIOD. (Any Vest) 4. Some folks let their catch dogs go and take 10 minutes to get there, others wait until they can be right behind the dog and are their to help the dog get relief immediatley. I have watched videos on U-Tube where dogs are caught solid and the people are scared and waiting/watching as their dogs and the hog both get tired (this disgusts me personally). 5.Take your ice pick and lay your material flat on a hard surface, then drive the ice pick at it, yeah you will probly go through now have some one hold it uu while you do the same thing the material and movement both absorb the force and this is closer to what happens when your dog is being hit, if your dog is up against a tree or rock or buried in deep mud, this is closer to the same as what will happen when the material is laying on a hard surface when you stab it. NOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? This is how certain material are designed to work and why one material will work better in one situation better than others. 6. Denier Cordura is the material that is on the outside of your black Kevlar vest, it has different properties, than Kevlar and why it is outside covering the Kevlar, they are made to work different, Curdura works like a Carhart Jacket for you, Good about keeping briars and barbwire off you, Ripstop keeps the materials from slicing sideways, and the Kevlar is to absorb the impact. All things together is what makes the Vest a QUALITY PRODUCT with maximum protection. However NOTHING is full Proof 100%, Only a FOOL would believe that or try to sell that. I have used Kevlar for many years on many different dogs, lasting throughs several Hundred hogs, Never have I had a cut through to my dog, maybe three pencil tip sized pokes that never touched the dog only. You go into UGLYDOG/WBUSA shop and look at the old ragged out vest hanging on the wall, look inside and out, that is where the proof is, It lasted one dog through his retiterment and Thomas Cotton dog for two years of serious hunting, and the only reason we handed that vest over to WBUSA is for them to use as testimonial that it works and lasts. You can come see our picture book and hog counts and see what kind of hogs that vest had been on. Then come see the vest I have the exact same thing Stoked does for My females and the other Kevlars we have here and what they have been through. I am not talking about a product that has been in the hunting field for less than two years, this has been worked over and put to the TEST. This website supports certain products for a reason, they work, Disclaimer: may not be intended for internet hog hunters!
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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2009, 10:24:49 am » |
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2009, 11:43:01 am » |
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I'm not sure what vest we have but it has saved our cd more that once. It may not have many layers of kevlar but it is light and allows the dog to twist and turn as needed.  The hog that did this sent my dogs running back to us all big eyed like "you can get that hog yourself!!!"LOL 
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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2009, 12:22:04 pm » |
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When you get a poke like that $5 poxy from wall mart seals them up stronger than they were before it works great and keeps the vest from weakening. The kind I have you have to mix two tubes together. 
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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2009, 12:30:24 pm » |
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It cracks me up when people complain about getting a cut through their vest... i'll leave it at that. 
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