Need help w/ loud catchdog!!!!!

[Cull Buck]

Guys I need some help with a whiny a$$ catchdog.  He is 16 months old and catching great!  I like everything about him physically....he's got good size, as fast or faster than most curs, great lungs, tons of drive, silent like a ninja running thru the woods and hits like a hammer.   BUT he screams and whines like a school girl when the curs open up.  I take pride in putting a handle on my dogs and get a lot of enjoyment from working with them and seeing the results.  For whatever reason, I can not get thru to this dog.

I've tried it all.......hands, fist, limbs, logs, chain and shock collar.  I'm consistent with my corrections and I don't cut him any slack.  Around the house his is one of the more obidient dogs I own but put him in the woods with the curs on bay and he becomes a screamer.  Any advice from the more experienced???  At this point, I'll try anything.

I can't run him as a RCD because he won't run with the curs.  He has the best cold nose in my pack and is LONG range.  If he takes a track,he will run it alone and when he get to the hog at the end its gonna be on.  I've tried it once and never again.

[mississippi hog]

I don't know what to tell ya, but when you figure it out i'm all ears.. Same story with me. My AB was doing great as a lead in, but the last time out....
 I don't know what got in his head. Couldn't get him to shut up... Curs were baying the heck out of a big boar and as we were trying to sneak in the last hundred yards, he's going nuts!!!! Barking and yelping, & lunging on my lead.. All my corrections were in vain.. Up to this point he has had a great handle on him..

[nthunter]

what about a bark collar

[JDJP]

Sounds like you are wasting a good trail dog. Id say put a bay vest on him, and let him figure out how to bay when he gets beat up a little. And if you have a garmin, you'll know when hes caught.

or just cut him loose as soon as the dogs bay, if hes that fast and has a good nose, you shouldn't lose to many to broken bays.

If all else fails, im sure there are plenty of guys here that would pay good money for a dog like that, if it fits their style of hunting.


Hes just getting really excited, and thats how he expresses himself. you can't beat him for wanting to catch a hog, he doesn't know why you are hitting him.

I doubt it is somethng you can fix.

I know that probably doesn't help you at all, but good luck.

[southtexasff]

What breed of dog is he?

[Dirtydog]

GOT ONE THE SAME AB/DOGO. SEND HER TO THE BAY TO SOON AND SHE WILL GO FIND HER OWN...WONT SHUT UP ON 4 WHEELER.

[make-em-squeel]

I would stick with electricity only, bark and or shock collars. Try it with curs in a baypen then in the woods. may never fix it or it may just take time, good luck

[crackerc]

Some will get over it with experience and time, some won't. But I agree, beating him for wanting to go to the bay, probably isn't a good idea.

If he isn't going to work for you, you can always send him to sunny Fla........

[Eric]

Get rid of him. There are dogs that do all that and don't whine. Plus, it will spread to other dogs and you will have a whole pack of them.

[makenbeans]

I had the same problem with my female pit, I hunted her with a shock collar everytime she whined I took it to her.
It took a while but she finally came around enough to where it wasnt a problem.
What type of dog is it?
I agree with JDJP I would put a running vest and let the dog go at the time of the bay.
You better be pretty good on your feet!
good luck!

[sfboarbuster]

If it's a pit it can take alot of "persuasion" sometimes

Personally I'd find a bigger stick.

[setexasplott]

my catdo used to scream alot so i put a good shock collar on him and would tell him "shhh listen" if he didn't shut up i would hit the button after about 20 hunts his hard headed a$$ got the picture . now when we here the bay i just say shhh listen and he almost holds his breathe so he can hear .it may just take consistantcy and time

[Monteria]

I wish that I had an answer to that one....

[rdjustham]

cut your losses and send him to Fl...

[Bryant]

Richard,

You've got a dog with all the good makins' to be what you desire, just a problem that needs to be corrected.  Getting rid of him as some have suggested is just plain silly.  Would you get rid of a young cur that was striking hogs because he jumped a possum his first few times in the woods?

I don't have a guaranteed solution to your problem but here's my suggestion.  In the box while the dogs are bayed is not the time to fix this situation.   Correction during that time could be incorrectly construed by the dog as "he's doing wrong for getting excited". The first thing I would do is to instill in the dog a REALLY good understanding of the word "hush", and I would do this in as many situations as possible WITHOUT associating it with hunting or a hog.  For instance...put a shock collar on the dog and clip him to a tree with a lead.  Start walking off and if he barks immediately (and firmly) tell him to "hush" and give him a bump.  I would repeat this often, and in as many creative ways as you can can think of to intentionally make him bark.  Pretty soon, he will know why your correcting him and what the word means.

After you have done this, and he knows your command THEN you can progress to having the collar on him in the box.  When he barks, and you tell him "hush" and give him a bump he will know the purpose of the correction.  Hopefully when you get to this point, it won't take many times in the box and he will get the idea.

[TColt]

I have the same problem with my dogo, i like to use him as a rcd but he also strikes and catches his own, which isnt a big problem to me except when he is the only cd we bring, so if he is the only cd i usually cut him at first bark no matter how far out it is, if he can hear it he will catch it, it is also good cuz we have alot of runners. Recently did that and as i let him go the bay broke, he ended up catchin a sow the other dogs missed and they never got the other hogs stopped so it ended up a good thing, he was caught for a good while by himself but he handled it fine. dont really know how it happened but they ran fairly close to her from what the garmin said.

The only thing i have found that will shut him the heck up is a cattle prod. but i cant cary that through the woods so i only use it huntin out of the mule. pull that thing out and he is silent. havent tried a bark collar but i think im gonna give that a shot, how do they work? movement of the neck, or sound, or what?

[Caddo co. hog dog]

Mine does it my uncles does it and heard of a few others that do it.. to even though it drives me crazy.. I like to call it prey drive.. I use a shock collar on him but he only does it when he hears a dog barkinand thats only when he is in the truck.. on the ground its a constant pull.. it gets old i know and i try to correct it everytime im able but to me if i want somethin that bad.. and you can ask the boss lady i do plenty of the screamin whining pouting stuff especially when it comes to hog hunting

[Cull Buck]

Thanks for the input everyone.  For those that asked, the dog is a Catdo.  He has a good understanding of hush because he will instantly lower his head and quite down as soon as I start to give him the command.  The problem arises at the first bark.  I've raised this dog from a pup so I feel invested in the dog and now I'm looking for my return.  Plus, the greatest satisfaction I receive from hog dogging isn't catching hogs, its working with and watching dogs make better dogs....catching hogs is the icing on the cake.

I'm going to put the shock collar on him for now on until one of us wins.  setexasplott, I hope I have similar results.

[Txmason]

Richard,
McLoven can have a home here any time.
I told you when you came over and said you had a problem to use the shock collar or a cattle prod.
Dogs get a lot of their excitement from their owners, they sence that your excited so they get excited.  Training you have to be calm feeling and keep everything firm but in a clam clear voice.  The point gets across faster when in a clam voice and shock collar, instead of yelling and picking up a stick.  When you get excited with correcting they get that much more excited, think.
If satisfied with the dog work a little calmer and longer with what you have made.

[Cull Buck]

Mr Mason, thank you for the insight. I don't disagree that there has probably been some user error along the way. I'll give you a call today.