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« on: November 20, 2010, 01:09:33 am » |
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Tonight I was able to locate a female that is out of my yella dogs. Her owner said she has made really good strike dog and is willing to let me breed her to whatever stud I choose. For years I've been breeding to the same male and hunting his pups. No matter the female, every litter has had a high percentage of good ruff hog dogs. This will be my first line breeding on these dogs and wanted to pic your brains on what would be my best option based on yalls experience. I can breed back to her sire who I described above. I have several 1/2 brothers with different dams that are all jam up finished dogs. Then I have access to one of her nefews that's out of one of her sisters and a Parker male. Decisions, Decisions, maybe yall can help out. Thanks for your time Britt
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Monteria
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 08:22:01 am » |
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It is not really line breeding, because there is not an established line. However, if I wanted to start an established line off of the dogs you describe, I would breed her to the best YBMC half brother you have access to. Then take the best female from your litter back to its grandfather, the main stud. Then take the best from that litter back to the best cousin, aunt or uncle available. Etc...
Granted, actually knowing the dogs you refer to, and their familial coefficient, could change my methodology.
Steve
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M Bennet
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 09:16:51 am » |
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i breed my half and half together and theirs nothing wrong with my pups
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Monty Bennet
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 09:26:10 am » |
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What Monteria Has told is one way to try and start your own line of dogs. But I would go with the cousin first then back to the orignal sire. But that is just IMO. I for myself dont like half bother sister beeding so soon in trying to set your line.Aunts, Uncles,and cousins.are the way I like to go.You will have to make a in breeding soon enough with out doing it from the start.But like I have said this is just IMO.And other folks have made good lines of dogs breeding other ways.
Just be ready to cull like you have never culled before because if you dont it will set you back and you may not be able to recover from it.
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Monteria
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 09:44:05 am » |
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What Monteria Has told is one way to try and start your own line of dogs. But I would go with the cousin first then back to the orignal sire. But that is just IMO. I for myself dont like half bother sister beeding so soon in trying to set your line.Aunts, Uncles,and cousins.are the way I like to go.You will have to make a in breeding soon enough with out doing it from the start.But like I have said this is just IMO.And other folks have made good lines of dogs breeding other ways.
Just be ready to cull like you have never culled before because if you dont it will set you back and you may not be able to recover from it.
Agreed. I am not shy about culling and lack patience these days, so I would opt for the more aggressive approach. Again though, I don't know enough about all of the dogs to make that call; but from what was written, it does not sound like any of them are closely related at all on the dames side. I was just giving one example. |
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Monteria
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 09:53:58 am » |
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PS: the line that I am establishing right now was started exactly as Rockin-P describes. We didn't know the lines far enough back, so we started by breeding a bunch of nieces (from our main studs sisters), weeded through them, then brought them back to their uncle (our main stud and best dog).
In another scenario, I also have that stud dogs daughter, who I know for a fact is a zero coefficient (her dame was not at all related to the stud in 10 generations). I plan to take her directly back to her daddy (our main stud), and taking one of those pups back to the line previously described.
Yes, I plan to cull hard, then loosen up the breeding to mostly second generation crosses (aunts and uncles to nieces and nephews).
Steve
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BobbyB
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 09:59:05 am » |
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I did a bunch of studying on this a while back . Uncle to niece is what is recommended. I shopped and looked and finally found what I was looking for in a gyp pup ( working with my Brittany male ). She was the right lines and was a niece to Pivo, then I found out that line had a history of passing bad hips if bred close. That stopped the deal.
Uncle to miece til you are ready to get tighter. But all say be ready to cull hard.
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BobbyB
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 10:02:02 am » |
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Steve, we posted at the same time. But that is the way I learned thru research and talking to breeders. ANd it seems there are fewer problems niece to uncle, aunt to nephew. as well.
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" If you can't have no fun, ain't no use agoin' ! " - old man in a Sweetwater, TX cafe
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Monteria
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2010, 10:06:19 am » |
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Steve, we posted at the same time. But that is the way I learned thru research and talking to breeders. ANd it seems there are fewer problems niece to uncle, aunt to nephew. as well.
Especially true in breeds with congenital issues like hip displasia... Pointer breeds, Labs, etc. |
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Indian Valley Ranch
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 11:26:05 am » |
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Hey guys, thanks for all the advice so far, I know that I have a tough task ahead, I believe I have enough blood out there to put somthing together, might have call it my crooked line before it's all over LOL, the old stud's name is Cody, he belongs to Mat Hughs in Corrigan TX, he was a real good woods dog and several people in that area have bred to him over the years, He is out of two dogs I hunted back in the 90's that meant alot to me. Every litter Mat would have, he always offered me pups because he knew Cody meant alot to me, he was offered to me at about 8 mths but I didn't have the money, I was relieved when I heard Mat ended up with him, I should have been trying to do this all along, but I was just enjoying hunting all his pups, they would start early and were always good at shutting down runnin hogs, the problem is most of the people that have these dogs just hunt alot and haven't done much breeding, Bo Copus over in Kennard has a male named Cutter that is out of Cody, he did breed him to a gyp he got from Butch Arnold and one of the females is close to being a finished woods dog, she will be a good one to throw in the mix, I might end up with more outside influence than I would like, but all those dogs have been true tested woods dogs, as long as what I'm breeding will put hogs in the truck, I will be happy, Cody is hit and miss on breeding lately, so uncle to niece and cousin ect. Breeding might be my only option, thanks for taking time to help me out, I'll keep yall updated on my progress, alota good people on this forum, hope to meet some of yall one day, thanks Britt Garcia
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