Our government... damn sure not a Democracy...

[TexasHogDogs]

Its one thing for people not to have no money left after working 70 hrs a week and cannot afford the luxurys of life and the Gov robbing everybody and this country of great jobs all because of the stupid ass restrictions they put on companys and the taxes but let me tell you when people start to go hungry that is another story and all hell is fixin to start when enuff people get like this !  Thats when Am gonna put my combat boots on and go the way of the American people and it will be to death do we part !

[TexasHogDogs]

I am 51 yrs old what I got another 20 yrs hell the way I figure it what have I got to loose.  I might as well go down swinging if it all comes to this fighting for what I believe in . I will protect my family,  friends , my dogs and my proptery till death do we part and I might not be the man I once was but Am as good onces as I ever was!  My eyes are perfect, am still strong as hell and I can pull a trigger just like the next man can.

[Noah]

I am 51 yrs old what I got another 20 yrs hell the way I figure it what have I got to loose.  I might as well go down swinging if it all comes to this fighting for what I believe in . I will protect my family,  friends , my dogs and my proptery till death do we part and I might not be the man I once was but Am as good onces as I ever was!  My eyes are perfect, am still strong as hell and I can pull a trigger just like the next man can.

Hoo-rah!!! 


And HERE is where the rubber meets the road.

One must have a plan "B" before tossing plan "A" out...   the "tossing out" is the easy part....   

A better, more logical system must be agreed upon, and ONLY THEN, will an uprising have any substantial supporters.... but by that point... the opposition(leeches) will have accepted the inevitability of change and adapted to make it their own...

.... if only there were a "character test" that might be clinically administered as any aptitude test would be.

[charles]

 its not the best example, but look at the failed and tried revolutions through out history. if we dont try to fix it, then we have no room to b!@ch about it. there are lots of reasons to not do it, but by not trying we will never know if it will work. there solutions to the issues, but nobody want to act on them. we have to brake a few eggs to make an omlett every once in a while.
sometimes the tree of liberty must be pruned to allow for new growth. as of now, our growth has stopped and we are dying as a country.

[Noah]

What you are proposing would produce nothing less than anarchy.   

... once I see a clear plan to replace a broken one, I am all in... not until.

[charles]

What you are proposing would produce nothing less than anarchy.   

... once I see a clear plan to replace a broken one, I am all in... not until.

thats the problem noah. no one can come to an agreement on a plan. we are not far from anarchy if things contiue down the same track of distruction. there are so many groups that are, "all dressed up, but nowhere to go" they have no defined leadership to bring them ALL together. it will take numbers to achieve a victory, and right now the victory aint even close to a glimer in ones eye.

[TexasHogDogs]

What you are proposing would produce nothing less than anarchy.   

... once I see a clear plan to replace a broken one, I am all in... not until.

Charles I have to agree with Noah .

If you ask me nobody is going to step up untill the number 2 hits the fan then you will see leadership take place.  Nobody wants this kind of number 2 to happen , so nobody really comes foward but let the number 2 hit the fan and watch the leadership come out the wood work.

[Noah]

... would you agree that, given the choice, "our" military would side with the PEOPLE before the government if it came down to it?

... another reason  "the plan" is so important... the idea must win minds... which will win the war.

[jdt]

... would you agree that, given the choice, "our" military would side with the PEOPLE before the government if it came down to it?

... another reason  "the plan" is so important... the idea must win minds... which will win the war.

 YESSIRR !!!!!!!!           THATS THE WHOLE DEAL IN A NUTSHELL  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[charles]

noah, blood wins wars. winning the hearts and minds loose wars. look at the 10yr war in nam and this 10yr war. we are worried how we look in the lens of the camera, that we cant advance the lines and continue to kick butt.
jimmy, when the chit hits the fan, it will be to late. people have tried to step up, but it was in 1s n 2s and small groups and then they are persicuted as domestic terrorists. a war cant be fought with out more than 1 leader, but it will take a reciricating agreement between the leaders to achieve victory. again it takes numbers to also win. the 1s and 2s and small groups cant do it on their own.

[Reuben]

I am 51 yrs old what I got another 20 yrs hell the way I figure it what have I got to loose.  I might as well go down swinging if it all comes to this fighting for what I believe in . I will protect my family,  friends , my dogs and my proptery till death do we part and I might not be the man I once was but Am as good onces as I ever was!  My eyes are perfect, am still strong as hell and I can pull a trigger just like the next man can.

Hoo-rah!!!  


And HERE is where the rubber meets the road.

One must have a plan "B" before tossing plan "A" out...   the "tossing out" is the easy part....    

A better, more logical system must be agreed upon, and ONLY THEN, will an uprising have any substantial supporters.... but by that point... the opposition(leeches) will have accepted the inevitability of change and adapted to make it their own...

.... if only there were a "character test" that might be clinically administered as any aptitude test would be.

... would you agree that, given the choice, "our" military would side with the PEOPLE before the government if it came down to it?

... another reason  "the plan" is so important... the idea must win minds... which will win the war.

as long as the nay sayers get on the wagon and say what we say...it shouldn't matter who gets the credit...credit where it is due is stolen every day including ethd's...  

but casting the seeds at the right time and place goes a long ways...just throw a little water and fertilizer on them every now and then and watch them multiply and grow...and before you know it everyone will be saying what you been saying all along...and then change will come...read that trick in a book and it works...used it quite a bit in my work place...the guy who casts the seeds probably will not get the credit but the end result is what matters...

[Noah]

Very true Reuben...

[TexasHogDogs]

Lets just hope it don't come to this.   Am a peace loving man myself.

[charles]

 history WILL repeat its self. look at how many powerfull empires have fallen in the past. the youtube link some1 posted about china is correct. the government used up all its resources to advance and or sustain their empire and then it crumbles like a poorly built sandcastle.

[JessseJames]

This may sound juvenile but we do have a blueprint to follow for what is being proposed. Our forefathers did exactly what needs to happen again. If a group of men were willing to study that blue print together and make applicable changes to it to fit the modern age I believe that they could get a large number of Americans behind them. It seems as though this sight has enough like minded people from different states to potentially get something started.  As others have said before, it takes someone to take the lead, who will it be? Who knows? But I do believe that it can't be just one man, but a band of brothers with similar standards. Differing opinions are great as long as the main goals can be agreed on. I guess what I'm trying to is that I believe that with the discussions that are being held here that there seems to be a few people that want to stand up and make a difference, next step get serious and start discussing the goals of a new government, then go through the logistics of the process. Basically as a group get a plan on paper using the history of our forefathers to guide us
 

[Noah]

This may sound juvenile but we do have a blueprint to follow for what is being proposed. Our forefathers did exactly what needs to happen again. If a group of men were willing to study that blue print together and make applicable changes to it to fit the modern age I believe that they could get a large number of Americans behind them. It seems as though this sight has enough like minded people from different states to potentially get something started.  As others have said before, it takes someone to take the lead, who will it be? Who knows? But I do believe that it can't be just one man, but a band of brothers with similar standards. Differing opinions are great as long as the main goals can be agreed on. I guess what I'm trying to is that I believe that with the discussions that are being held here that there seems to be a few people that want to stand up and make a difference, next step get serious and start discussing the goals of a new government, then go through the logistics of the process. Basically as a group get a plan on paper using the history of our forefathers to guide us
 

I like the way you think son.... 

[charles]

This may sound juvenile but we do have a blueprint to follow for what is being proposed. Our forefathers did exactly what needs to happen again. If a group of men were willing to study that blue print together and make applicable changes to it to fit the modern age I believe that they could get a large number of Americans behind them. It seems as though this sight has enough like minded people from different states to potentially get something started.  As others have said before, it takes someone to take the lead, who will it be? Who knows? But I do believe that it can't be just one man, but a band of brothers with similar standards. Differing opinions are great as long as the main goals can be agreed on. I guess what I'm trying to is that I believe that with the discussions that are being held here that there seems to be a few people that want to stand up and make a difference, next step get serious and start discussing the goals of a new government, then go through the logistics of the process. Basically as a group get a plan on paper using the history of our forefathers to guide us
 

jesse, we do that over an unsecured phoneline or on the net, then the allmighty prying government will accuse all in the thought process to be terrorists and be persicuted for enforcing their rights as americans and humans.
im sure these post have/are being watched by big brother.
what you have posted is exactly what needs to be done, but the main thing is as you stated, logistics. this site and other sites out there cant get connected because of the fear the government has instilled in the majority of the american people. im not a leader, im a grunt. im not a politician, i say whats on my mind and speak from the heart, but i am also not a follower that will not question basic reasoning. when i was in the military, i got my butt reamed out weekly for not giving make busy work for my troops. i refused to find them some bs crap to make it look like we actually accomplished something. i have always bucked the system and disagreed with bs. im not a "yes man".

[charles]

This may sound juvenile but we do have a blueprint to follow for what is being proposed. Our forefathers did exactly what needs to happen again. If a group of men were willing to study that blue print together and make applicable changes to it to fit the modern age I believe that they could get a large number of Americans behind them. It seems as though this sight has enough like minded people from different states to potentially get something started.  As others have said before, it takes someone to take the lead, who will it be? Who knows? But I do believe that it can't be just one man, but a band of brothers with similar standards. Differing opinions are great as long as the main goals can be agreed on. I guess what I'm trying to is that I believe that with the discussions that are being held here that there seems to be a few people that want to stand up and make a difference, next step get serious and start discussing the goals of a new government, then go through the logistics of the process. Basically as a group get a plan on paper using the history of our forefathers to guide us
 

I like the way you think son.... 

i agree 100% with what jesse says, but he sugar coated it, but coating with sugar or sourapple. it all comes to the same end result.

[JessseJames]

Charles, I agree that everything that we are discussing now is more than likely being monitored and in reallity th government has instituted enough crap into the law books that if they were so inclined we could all end up in prison or just disappearing.
You say that your not a leader your a grunt, not a politician, and you speak from the heart.
I myself would classify myself in a similar boat, but something that I know as fact is that this country doesn't need politians, or people that speak from there pocket book, or people that are afraid to get their hands dirty. I believe that the best leaders are the ones that are the best servants, the ones that have a standard, put there head down and push through.
I don't believe that there is a quick fix, or special drink to serve to get things back to they way they should should be to think that is just naive. I may live in a dream world but I do believe that there doesn't have to be a "new" idea but rather the original idea, and that if that was the basis then who (of the sane people) wouldn't join.
Maybe a multi state hunt should be held 

[Lance]

 I believe that the best leaders are the ones that did not want to be a leader. They became leaders out of necessity and the urge to do what they thought was right.