Barrs

[cward]

Paul T. Is the tdha taking barrs out of there competition. Is bumpers taking barrs out. Those are the best of the best competitions free range that is. If they are I would like to know???  I support both groups that put these on and would like to know if im a Barr Hunter if im allowed to be in there group.

[Circle C]

Seems to me if it's called a "Hog Hunting" tournament, it should allow Boars, Barrs, and Sows.   My dogs hunt hogs, not Boars, Barrs, OR Sows.


If you are not going to allow Barrs, maybe change the name to a "Boar and Sow Hunting" tournament.

[cward]

Thanks Chris. Is the lonestar handling the bumpers?

[Circle C]

I don't know, but I doubt it...

[cward]

I like the bumpers competition it gets real competitive if you ask me. The tdha is a good one to but I would like to know if they allow barrs in them.

[Miller Lite]

I like the bumpers competition it gets real competitive if you ask me. The tdha is a good one to but I would like to know if they allow barrs in them.

where about are these hunts located?

[cward]

Bumpers is in buffalo. Tdha is in halletsville.

[Miller Lite]

Bumpers is in buffalo. Tdha is in halletsville.

     

o ok that aint to bad ... what are the time windows do you know ?

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Chance, I am not on the TDHA board this year, so I am not in the loop about this years contest.

I can tell you that we have talked about pulling the barrs out of the stringer for the last couple of years. It had nothing at all to do with how hard they were to "re-catch", that is not the issue at all. The issue for us, in the past, was only that the barrs had been "previously caught" and that means that they also could have been moved.

"Could have been moved" by this I don't mean I/we ever suspected that teams were loading spots by hauling in barrs. We just were thinking ahead and trying to head off a problem before it might happened.

I personally do not have a problem with y'all that barr boars. I understand the history of it in parts of the state. In my part of Texas it is simply not done and anyone caught barring and releasing would lose every place they had to hunt.

One issue is that in the rules it allways says "hogs can't have been previously caught or held for the contest. This puts the barrs in a grey area because they have been previously caught.

Chance, I will tell you that writing a fare set of rules for the TDHA contest is a very difficult task. TDHA has all ways worked very hard to put on a contest that is as fare to all hunters as we could possibly make it.

This is an important thread. This issue needs to be discussed openly by all involved.

As I said before I am only a regular TDHA member now and have no input on the rules.

Thanks,
Paul T

[cward]

Thank you Paul. The polygraph should protect the issue of releasing hogs for the contest. But it can be done with boars and sows also. If you had a bunch of 300 pounds sows then I could release them also.
Thanks for your service of the tdha. I have not kept up with who is leading it.

[Mike]

Chance beat me to it... that's exactly what the polygraph should be for.

Is this question even asked? I know it wasn't the two times I've been on a winning team.

Most all barrs are caught, cut and released on the spot.

[TexasJ]

How does removing the Testoterone from an animal not change it's physical state?

Lets take horses as an example. 

Explain to me the deferences between a stud and a gelding and let's see if we can determine any similarities in removing the testosterone out of a hog.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Chance, yes the same problem of catch and release applies to boars and sows as well. The polygraph at the TDHA contest has all ways contained that question the last couple of years.

One thing to remember is that hunting is hunting and that a contest is a contest. A contest has got to have rules and those rules are designed to provide a level playing field for all who enter. 

We all have different styles of hunting and different ways we do things. We all have to change things up a bit to conform to the rules of a contest, the barr rule would be no different.

The exclusion of barrs has got nothing to do with how hard they are to re-catch, its the fact that they have been caught before and that they will weigh more because they have been cut.

[cward]

I will not enter the tdha competition as all my places have barrs and I would more than likely be catching barrs through out the day. I guess it like the d in barrel racing the losers can't stand to lose. That's the world turns.  US having places with barrs puts us waisting our time. Like I said it separates us you way my way. All we have to do is put on a contest the same day that has barrs and pays back 5000 more and better prizes then we will see if the barrs or money talks.lol

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Chance I am not saying what is right or wrong, just giving a view point from years of writing rules. We had the barrs in with the boars when I wrote the rules.

I understand your point perfectly, you have a very valid argument.

But so does the other side.

I am not writing any rules this year and I have never entered a contest, so I don't have a dog in the fight. Just trying to help the discussion and see if I can help one way or the other.

I am hoping who ever is writing rules for TDHA this year will post up their thoughts.

[cward]

Paul t. I thank you again for you fighting for our rights as hunters. I hope they pay attention to the Barr thing to as I enjoy hunting and supporting the tdha.

[reatj81]

I was raised as a Barr being a tradition being passed on from the first settlers of Texas.  A Barr is a trophy to me any day. A privilege to get to catch a hog that someone took the time, & trouble to cut & rerelease.  That is intended to one day be a trophy with the best quality wild game available to eat!    Is this not part of hunting, a time honored tradition!   Watch " Old Yelled"   Cut, release with cur dogs!      Guess I'm just old fashion and hung in my ways!

[fatboy outfitters]

General questions
Why does anyone Barr a hog?
Do you like to see your dogs get killed by these "rank barrs"?
Why barr a hog and let destroy more property?
Where we hunt we would get run off. Have gained a few spots because of it.  Thanks!!!
Are you in it for the sport or are you in it to help your local farmers and ranchers?  Everyone that I talk to is there to help remove hogs not catch, cut,and release.  Lots of people promote themselves as that.  
Mike I've hunted with you and you have nice set of dogs.  Enjoyed talking about hunting with dogs and hope y'all come back.
Chance I met you at tdha. Seem like really good person.  
Lance you came to our tournament last year. Abel and me still talk about you. Jody I've known you and your whole family.  I talked to you today and you told me that you dont barr hogs anymore.  Said you would get run off of a place for that.  ??
I guess everyone has there opinion, I just think that Cutting a boar isn't right.  I cut a few when i was young and never seemed right. I guess I'll  ask the question again please explain a good reason for cutting hogs.  Or is this just your fun or for tournaments? It's just my opinion. I wish everybody luck in whatever tournament that you hunt.  I hope y'all will hunt our tournament.  Looking for everyone to have good time at ours.  Bigger money, better buckles, "Hog Roast" BBQ competition, 10 gun gun raffle, art and crafts booths. Live music Saturday night.  Any question please call me 979-716-7230 or Abel at 979-716-7588. Looking to meet and talk hog hunting with all you.  

[BA-IV]

I Barr every boar I catch and I don't hunt any contests, I'm not even from Texas. It's a tradition and it's one I'm very fond of.  There is nothing like walking into a bay and catching a big Barr hog that's wearing your mark, and you remember cutting the hog three or four years before.

If you are allowed to cut and release, then I encourage it.  If not, I completely understand, so I expect the same in return for how I do things. I work hogs, because hogs are livestock to me.  

I've seen big barrs, little barrs, rank barrs, and barrs that would give a shoat a run for the money in the squealing department. Most of the time though, they're rank, rougher, smarter, and despite being fat, they can really run.  They usually have better teeth as well making them a true hog doggers trophy especially when you have a history with the animal.

[reatj81]

Clayton as I go back and read my post again I should have also stated I now only partake in part of the tradition.  That being that I love to catch a Barr hog.  I do not cut them anymore and have not in 8-10 yrs.   That does not change the fact that I like to catch them.  And I guess it would make me a taker not a giver.  Of all the barr's I have caught never has one of them been one that I cut.   I'm sure they would all be dead of old age by now if another hunter did not get the luck of catching them, or a deer hunter.