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« on: July 11, 2019, 11:18:23 am » |
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I want your guesses. How much Walker do you think is in this dog?   Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk |
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Judge peel
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2019, 11:34:12 am » |
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Looks like a colored cur so I would bout a 1/8 to a 1/4 or less. I would think the hound would be on the daddy side do to the markings unless they both had hound and had a little more angle on the pool
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Mike
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2019, 12:39:00 pm » |
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1/2 to 3/4
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TheRednose
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2019, 01:06:01 pm » |
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Hard to tell, def colored up similar to a hound. I would guess 1/4.
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Slim9797
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2019, 04:09:27 pm » |
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I’m going to say somewhere between something like 1/4-3/8 hes got them soft cur dog eyes
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We run dillo dogs that trash on hogs
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Reuben
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2019, 07:30:20 pm » |
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Well...if I knew how good of a hunting dog he is I would give a better guess...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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t-dog
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2019, 09:44:07 pm » |
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Mathematically he's 9/32 so just over a quarter. His daddy is 3/16 and his momma is 3/8. Out of 5 pups there were 2 his color and markings, 1 that is walker patterned but has less black and a lot of ticking, and one that was patterned the same as that last one but her black is blue. Genetics are something.
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Slim9797
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2019, 10:21:39 am » |
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Eyes don’t lie
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2019, 06:24:06 pm » |
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He’s a good looking dog...what breeds?
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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t-dog
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He's cat/walker Reuben. My old Yonder gyp is his mother and his daddy was out of my old Black Jack dog. He sure acts like he wants to make a dog in spite of not having near the hunts on him that he should have.
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t-dog
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He's cat/walker Reuben. My old Yonder gyp is his mother and his daddy was out of my old Black Jack dog. He sure acts like he wants to make a dog in spite of not having near the hunts on him that he should have.
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Reuben
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Awesome...he looks like he’s ready to burn the woods down...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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He's cat/walker Reuben. My old Yonder gyp is his mother and his daddy was out of my old Black Jack dog. He sure acts like he wants to make a dog in spite of not having near the hunts on him that he should have.
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Those are the ones I strive to raise Tdog, the ones who have a genetic predisposition to do the job their bred for on their own, the ones who need some TLC, a ride to the woods, and a little direction and correction here and there along the way, the rest come as natural as a baby duck to water, of course they all don’t turn out like that but having a high standard produces more of the quality you want than being satisfied with mediocrity... |
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Goose87
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Eyes don’t lie
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How true that is slim, hard to argue against something when it’s right in front of you despite the integrity of the men before us who created the foundations for the different families of dogs we all use and what they claim to have put in the dogs and when, when I get around to convince myself I have the money to spare I’m going to have one of those DNA breed profiles done on a few of my dogs just for my own curiosity sake, I have my speculations about some of my dogs coat colors and patterns but then again am not going to disrespect the men before who claim otherwise, sometime if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck it might be one despite the papers saying it’s a banti rooster... |
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t-dog
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That's pretty much where I was hoping this thread would go goose. My point was to try and show with a visual example of once you put something in your dogs, you can't remove it. This color pattern thing is just something I thought might make my point easier to understand. I don't mind this color or pattern and I don't breed away from it. BUT...even if I did, it's going show up. If I bred away from it, it would show up less and less just like any other trait. The thing is, those undesirable traits are still there, they just become recessive. Sooner or later they are gonna show back up and if y'all's luck is anything like mine, it will be when you can least afford it. So when you decide to breed a dog, don't just focus on the good you see. The whole dog has to be evaluated and if your really thinking, the same has to be done for that dog's parents. Another example might be that ole Kujo is exactly the color and build you desire. When you cut Kujo loose, he's kicking dirt in your face leaving hard as he can. He finds hogs, he gets the runners bayed, etc. All you want except you have a 2 hole dog box. Your catch dog, and 2 or 3 other bay dogs all gotta ride in one side because Kujo is gonna eat them on the way to the hunt, provoked or not. This maybe something that was created and it may just be that Kujo is a jackass. So if you breed that you are gonna get that in at least some of the pups. The problem is you may not know it until you have 2 years invested in one of them or worse yet, those pups don't show it but when you get around to breeding those pups, they produce it. Then you've wasted your last productive breeding to your best producing old female. Maybe she was all you had left to breed to from your line. And just like that you have to hunt a pack of muzzled dogs or abandon your line even. It don't have to be fighting or color, it can be any thing from those to hunt to intelligence etc. My point is I don't think a lot of us consider the weight of the negatives when we breed. When you don't breed away from them carefully, it becomes a staple. It will always be there once it's put there. It's something to consider and just a little food for thought I wanted to throw out there.
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Reuben
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I agree with what you are saying Tdog...
In breeding dogs we must look at the good and the bad...we can not make excuses for the dog but there can be reasons and those need to be torn apart and we must decide if it is man made or genetic...we can not just look at the breeding pair but also in what is in them...so we look to the breeding pairs parents and grandparents if at all possible...and then we analyze the pups and many times the pups can grow up to be better than the parents, grandparents etc...so it is not just about the dogs involved in the breeding...it’s about what is in the dogs...I say that because sometimes some of the pups will grow up to exceed the performance of their sire and dam...
So we spend quite a bit of time in deciding who to breed and why...
We should also spend as much time as possible deciding on which pups to keep so that we can maintain a minimum in our stringent standards and preferably keeping those that exceed expectations...
So we keep as many pups as possible and test them for natural abilities in different areas such as winding, finding, baying and ranging...observing them every day for how they think, handle themselves and overall demeanor...
Breeding the right dogs is half of it and selecting the right pups is the other half...
Once the bloodline is established then there will be more consistency...
Just night before last an acquaintance and I were talking about breeding dogs...I was telling him early in my old breeding program a lone chocolate female showed up...I gave her away to a hunting buddy...
About 6 generations later another chocolate brindle shows up...
Just because we have linebred and inbred dogs doesn’t mean something else won’t pop up...the thing is it will be a lot lower percentage wise than if the breeding are outcrossed or crossbred...
I once bred a yellow Pitbull to a yellow kemmer cur and every pup was born a yellow brindle if I can remember that far back I believe we had eleven brindle pups...
I called Robert Kemmer about it and he said anytime you breed a yellow kemmer even from many generations of yellow...when bred to another yellow dog of another breed or strain of mtn cur that the you will get brindles...breeding can be tricky so selecting for performance should be first, conformation second and the right colors are just icing on the cake...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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joshg223
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When breeding something in, it’s like pouring salt in stew no matter how much you dilute it there will always be salt in there
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t-dog
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Exactly
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Reuben
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When breeding something in, it’s like pouring salt in stew no matter how much you dilute it there will always be salt in there
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The answer to that logic... The solution to the pollution is dilution... To really do that we need to breed within a family of dogs as often as possible...easier said than doing |
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