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« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2009, 11:27:02 pm » |
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Think about this clearly for a minute. The game wardens concern is the enforcement of game laws. The Sheriffs concern is the enforcement of civil law and criminal law. The TAHCs concern is the transmission or potential transmission of disease, particularly psudorabies and Brucellosis in swine, and/or diseased animals regardless if they are domestic or feral.
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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2009, 11:33:11 pm » |
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bro sorry for your loss,,, i believe id be building me a super trap when the hog buyers start buying again .. then what you cant catch
time for several big guns and do some mowing
but then again the rabies route might be a good way to go to
rip Spice
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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2009, 11:53:41 pm » |
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Disgusting.
The TAHC is a good route, but I'd definitely contact the sheriff and the DA about animal cruelty charges. The law says you can kill an animal harming your livestock but it also says you cannot kill them in a cruel manner. If he had a gun to shoot you, he had a gun to shoot your dog, and beating it to death with a pipe was completely unnecessary. I also agree with Steve that if he could catch it to beat it, it was no longer proving a danger to the livestock.
Contact all the local papers as well. If you are that close to San Antonio, you should be able to get some clout behind it. Make sure you let the sheriff and DA know you're in touch with the media and they are horrified by the obviously grotesque case of animal abuse. As has been mentioned before, elected officials will most definitely be motivated by the idea of bad PR.
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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2009, 12:01:00 am » |
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Revenge outside the law is not the answer my friends. Use all the avenues you can, TAHC, sheriff, media, DA.....
There are two sides to a story like this, this is a crazy man who is making a living off these hogs as best he can. He is setting himself up for a host of problems and is right on the line of the law, one side or the other I don't know. If he is wrong, use the law to handle it. But, what am I going to do if I find some dogs chasing and baying colts in my mare pasture, or stretching out one of my calves? The law will protect me as it might protect him.
The answer to this problem is to stop it before it starts. A responsible dog hunter should not put his dogs down to hunt on a piece of property where there might be the chance they will track a hog or bay a hog on an adjoining property where they don't have hunting rights and have not talked to the other landowner about retrieval of dogs. Bad things can happen when your dogs are bayed up somewhere they don't belong.
This is a terrible thing that has happened, use it as a wake up call to make sure it doesn't happen to you. Get retrieval agreements with your neighbors and get some handle on your dogs, it could save their lives.
Sorry for your loss, I will help you in any way I can with the legal system.
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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2009, 12:37:32 am » |
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If you cant get him prossecuted about the dog. Would he be held liable in Texas for the dammage his "livestock" did on the propperty you were hunting. Eating crops, rooting hay fields etc. Didnt he admit they were his?
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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2009, 01:13:39 am » |
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If the hogs are livestock he would be liable for the damage, but you could not hunt/kill them. If they are feral he is not liable but you can hunt/kill them.
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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2009, 01:22:52 am » |
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The key to this is getting making the sherrif get a statement from him in writing. From there you can find the right avenue to persue.
IF he says the hogs are ferral then you get TAHC.... IF he says they are livestock you look into damages, entrapment, and him needing to mark his livestock. Also, hopefully he will mention the pipe incident and you can persue that.
Every one needs to take note of this. We all get excited about the thought of a new spot to hunt and its hard to let one pass.... but get out and meet those neighbors BEFORE you go hunting. IF you don't, you take the risk of some thing like this happening.
How did the land owner you were hunting for not mention a crazy neighbor that has a large herd of free ranging pigs next door?
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« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2009, 08:39:12 am » |
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The answer to this problem is to stop it before it starts. A responsible dog hunter should not put his dogs down to hunt on a piece of property where there might be the chance they will track a hog or bay a hog on an adjoining property where they don't have hunting rights and have not talked to the other landowner about retrieval of dogs. Bad things can happen when your dogs are bayed up somewhere they don't belong.
This is a terrible thing that has happened, use it as a wake up call to make sure it doesn't happen to you. Get retrieval agreements with your neighbors and get some handle on your dogs, it could save their lives.
Sorry for your loss, I will help you in any way I can with the legal system.
I did not want to say what Paul said too early but he is exactly right. Hopefully something can be done within the law but stop the problem before it starts. Every piece of land or ranch I hunt...I either call or go talk to all neighboring land owners. Explain what and how you are hunting. Talk about the possibility of having to retrieve the dog. In my area I have picked up many additional acres to hunt by doing this and minimizing the risk of someone harming your dog. Good luck with this....please keep us informed on what you do. |
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« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2009, 08:46:07 am » |
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The man had ur dog and l knew who to hold responsible for damages by the info on the collar. However, he elected to kill the dog by cruel and unusual means. U can go at him like that. Next time I wouldan up and always take responsibility for your animals no matter what the circumstances are.
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"You lose a lot of money chasing hogs and women, but never lose women chasing money."
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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2009, 09:40:22 am » |
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Thanks guys i dont think i can get him on anything he considers them his when they are on his place. But they are off his place they are free game thats what i am confused about . And i made the biggest mistake like all you said before scoping it out but hopefully i will learn by this one.
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« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2009, 10:03:29 am » |
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If you are seeking revenge than take it to civil court. Many have told you alrady that beating a dog with a pipe to death is cruel and unusual. You need to get the case report and get the LEO to get staements before anymore time goes by, otherwise you are just wasting time talking about it.
For those of you talking about REVENGE -now that you have publicaly implicated yourself, you may be held responsible, so Go ahead and keep talking the TRASH, sure does not make the Dog hunters look very smart
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