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« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2018, 08:36:00 pm » |
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Goose...I was going back and reviewing what has been said and I just stopped...we have about exhausted prenatal, diet and genetic modifications... Gene modification and purification is alive and well...it is called evolution here is what I do believe on the kid that could eat those peppers...some sort of cell modifications took place that have permanently changed him...this can happen in other scenarios for the better or for the worse...I know a man that is on disability because of mental impairment and it is permanent and it is because his mom was an alcoholic...so if these folks are to have children one day will they be affected by it? I would say yes through learned behavior...by being around the parents... When breeding better I will have to say these are minor details when looking at the big picture....I brought this up. because in my opinion it can play a part in breeding better dogs...taking it to a higher level and I strongly believe in it...not that it makes a big difference but when we want the very best these are other things that we can do... Hybrid Vigor within a breed...it will be hard breeding consistently good to great dogs on account there are too many variables we don't readily see...that is one reason why there are so many culls out there...when done right there should be very few... below is something to think about... to keep it very simple I will use red and black because it is visual and anyone knows what black and red are at a glance... if you are wanting all reds and you have to breed this red dog to a black dog to get reds then this is what will happen... 1. you could fail right of the bat and have all black puppies... 2. you could have both reds and blacks...cull all the blacks and you are in business... same dogs but blacks are the desired hunting dogs...it is a little more complicated but very doable... 1.you could have all black pups but... 2.the black pups you keep and breed could throw a few reds now and then... hunting traits are even more complicated...one wrong breeding and we can have a slight to major setback... goose...you have a gift for writing and retaining what you read...  the only way I could do it is to have the internet open and copy and paste...lol there is no doubt in my mind you will breed what you want... There’s more than one way to skin a cat, some start at the head and others at the ass... What’s the point in reading something if you can’t or don’t retain it to be able to put it to use in the real world away from the keyboard... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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Goose87
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« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2018, 08:37:16 pm » |
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who knows ?
Good question, all I know is how to fake it until I make it... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2018, 09:38:35 pm » |
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oh , and i forgot to add that in my non training program i let pups run loose and trash on everything until they start leaving the place and baying the neighbors stock .  |
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« Reply #83 on: April 08, 2018, 11:07:35 pm » |
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I don't know much and I don't know anyone here but I hunt my gyps till about 21 days or so too birth. And I am also breeding or making my owndogs. I have taken 2 dogs of mixed breeds and created what I want . The stud to my "mess" is dead now and I'm using brothers and 1 sister and mom to continue. But instead of calling someone's thoughts and beliefs junk ,share your knowledge of breeding your own dogs.... everybody on this forum has dogs that where created by somebody mixing or tweaking something.
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« Reply #84 on: April 09, 2018, 12:22:16 am » |
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who knows ? i was funn'n ......everyone is entitled to there opinion ...... and each to his own doing what they feel benefits them best ..... |
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« Reply #85 on: April 09, 2018, 06:50:06 am » |
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who knows ? i was funn'n ......everyone is entitled to there opinion ...... and each to his own doing what they feel benefits them best ..... I figured that, that’s it, as long as we’re the ones that feed them and take care of them that’s all that matters at the end of the day... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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« Reply #86 on: April 09, 2018, 06:54:44 am » |
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Out of curiosity, have you ever entered that pedigree you posted earlier into a program to see what the inbreeding coefficient is on your blackie dog just for the sh!ts and giggles...
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« Reply #87 on: April 09, 2018, 11:28:57 am » |
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oh , and i forgot to add that in my non training program i let pups run loose and trash on everything until they start leaving the place and baying the neighbors stock . this is a very good way...I would love to have this option again... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #88 on: April 09, 2018, 04:27:48 pm » |
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goose i wouldn't know how ...
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« Reply #89 on: April 09, 2018, 07:59:21 pm » |
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Oftentimes when we think outside the box there will be many nay sayers to include those with other opinions until it becomes common knowledge one way or another...
Time to get back to the normal as most of us see it day in and day out...
Staying away from gestational imprinting/conditioning or even epigenetics...I have been in discussions where coondoggers swear that there pups were straight coon dogs...never ran trash...so why is that?
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #90 on: April 09, 2018, 08:45:45 pm » |
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I'm surprised you guys haven't discussed genetic mutation yet.
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« Reply #91 on: April 09, 2018, 09:03:43 pm » |
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Oh and what about the bracket theory?
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« Reply #92 on: April 09, 2018, 09:18:02 pm » |
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I'm surprised you guys haven't discussed genetic mutation yet.
epigenetics involves genetic mutations...that is one of many reasons why it is so interesting to me...as more scientist get on board it will make for some interesting reading amongst other things...possibly breeding better animals and finding cures to diseases... one of the most famous mutations I read about was when the flu virus that infected birds (avian flu)to be more specific geese and ducks...and the swine flu mutated...back in 1918 or so, neither of these would cause illness in humans...but over many years when feeding the hogs the geese and ducks would feed together and over many years of the avian flu and swine flu co-existing that one day they finally mutated and the new strain was able to infect many people...millions died all over the world with this new strain of flu virus...I am going way back before the internet on this one... |
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« Reply #93 on: April 09, 2018, 09:19:03 pm » |
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Oh and what about the bracket theory?
you got me on that one?  |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #94 on: April 09, 2018, 11:43:16 pm » |
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i just had some mutations til i researched it ..blue pups ...man i just couldn't figured where it come from ....til i read where some db gene will make a black dog blue ....hahahaha i got rid of 5 perty good dogs because i thought it was a throw back from breeding to an older female of this line a friend had ......  |
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« Reply #96 on: April 09, 2018, 11:47:17 pm » |
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« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2018, 05:40:15 am » |
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You had me on that one too...I’d never heard of it.
Had to read up because it sounded interesting.
Brackett, was a Breeder iof German shepherds.
He primarily focused on breeding around stud dogs.
Lots of interesting stuff...
So one of his main formulas was:
‘Let the sire of the sire, be the grandsire of the dam” in gen after gen....
Seems a lot of folks in all dif breeds follow that formula successfully without even knowing that it is what they are doing
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« Reply #98 on: April 10, 2018, 05:44:31 am » |
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* scratch that*
I’m sure they know, they just didn’t know there was already a theory written down about it by a guy that took maticulus notes on breeding outcomes and successes and failures thereof on so many gens of dogs he bred
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« Reply #99 on: April 10, 2018, 08:32:35 am » |
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goose i wouldn't know how ...
When I get a chance I got a pedigree software program downloaded on my laptop that I keep track of all my dogs with, I’ll enter your pedigree just to see what the coefficients are... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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