Breeding Dogs Discussion

[Semmes]

The one dog you ‘saw’ you could not touch. It was mean...
The other 7 dogs you were ‘told’ looked like labs..
...could they be touched?
Were they man voters that looked like labs?
You don’t know...
If 4 of the 8 grew up to be those type of dogs and temperament is based on genetics then how can you say the EB is not preponent when we all understand the temperament of the lab?

[Semmes]

Biters not voters lol

[Reuben]

thanks there Semmes...I do understand recessive dominance as I spoke it earlier without placing the name to it...and I do realize what the EB brings to the table as you explained it...

The EB & lab cross was accidental...the pup he kept was very powerful and unique looking as to why I inquired about him...

[Goose87]

Old man...you have lots of experience and knowledge...you should share more for us to learn...especially for the younger generation...no since in them reinventing the wheel starting down towards the bottom where most of us started...but those that really want to learn can just get on the net and read and use what they want or need...I like it when the young guys can tell me how it is done...it just means they are the new up and coming generation of dog men and women...

And Reuben before you step on your own soap box again and want to strereotype the “younger generation” which I’m “theorizing” is in reference to myself being as I’m 30 and the youngest one to take part in this discussion, make sure your not standing up there holding a pot while calling a kettle black, based off your “observations”, just because someone is younger than you doesn’t mean they don’t or can’t understand a particular topic better than you, not at all saying that in this case that I’m in any way smarter or have a better understanding of anything than you contrary to what you assume, and I can assure you most of what I know about dogs and genetics in general didn’t come from the net, I have no need or desire to brag on myself or list my credentials, but will give you a little background on it and I promise they didn’t come from telling engineers at a chemical plant how ignorant they are, or a buddy of mine bragging on me in a bar room, or running wild through the woods as a youngster whooping with my dogs to become one of them, instead most of it comes from life experiences of actually living around breeding performance bred animals since birth, mainly from
growing up on chicken farm around game fowl and dogs, successfully raising and breeding my own cattle, a little from college, some from my personal collection of books and even some from the net, most of it from getting things wrong the first time around, and being as I’m younger than you, you have no worries of me “telling you how to do it” I’m not that type of individual, there’s two types of people in life when it comes to learning something, those that can sit there and tell you how to do something and those that can show you how to do something, you and I have a lot in common when it comes to unconventional ways of thinking but where our differences are, you fall into the category of those that can tell someone how to do it or what they once did and I’m of the sort to show someone how I’m doing it, don’t take this personal but for nearly 8 years you’ve posted time after time about
How to breed better dogs but yet where are the “better dogs” you’ve bred, not talking about the 7 generations of Mt. Cur you claimed to have bred years ago, we can all talk about what once was and that’s the easy part but we’re talking about what is in the here and now, actually having the hide in your hand, 8 years is plenty enough time to already be a generation or 3 deep even if starting from scratch, and as far as “reinventing the wheel” that’s as far off as it could be and being enthused about history almost as much as I am science, I’m pretty sure the first wheel man kind developed was made of stone, then someone realized a wooden wheel worked better for them, then along comes someone else who believed that a wooden wheel surrounded by a steel ring  better suited their needs, pretty sure you get the gist, so in actuality there’s no one reinventing a wheel at all, of course all of the above is based off of “theory” as well, I’ve seen you tell folks on here that they don’t know how to breed dogs but yet those same individuals you’ve said that to actually frequently make post and share with us the litters and dogs THEY have raised and the game those dogs catch, evidently they didn’t listen to your assumptions about them judging on them actually having their own hides in their own hands, I enjoy reading your post and what you contribute but find it hard to take someone serious who is only talking about it and not actually producing anything, I mean no ill intent with this or criticizing you in any way and have some respect for you and your knowledge of dogs but am just being honest with what I’m “observing and theorizing”...


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[Goose87]

I don’t think a dog in spirt is to far removed from the wild just as we aren’t from the warriors code. Many people fight join the service play sports to meet that inside our selfs. A dog can be like a wolf very easy it’s called hunger don’t need generations of raw meat back in its diet lol. I agree with Goose most of that stuff is hog wash. I just don’t believe must of that makes any difference on a scale that you can see. Just my opinion


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I agree JP and my reference to feeding dogs raw meat was only a scenario based off of Reubens theory of feeding certain things during females gestation and was a statement that if there was any truth to it that would more than likely be the only way it would be able to work realistically...


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[Goose87]

The 2 greatest tools for breeding are selection, and culling that's the only way to develop or enhance inherent traits. Far and above what you feed them, if you tickle their feet as baby puppies, let them find weeneys, do mock hunts or whatever. Give them a place to sleep, something to eat, select BALANCED dogs to breed, provide them transportation to the job at an APPROPRIATE age and opportunity to do their job, HONESTLY assess their skills, CULL "not trade, give away, or sell" those that do not have the skills to do the job with consistency by THEMSELVES.
 When I think or read about breeding dogs I always think of coyotes, with the exception of the rare dog or wolf cross they are always bred within the breed and very likely related family, they are ruthlessly culled by mother nature, removed from the gene pool if found lacking, and they breed extremely strong and consistent for their job. I only wish I could breed dogs as consistently as nature does coyotes because  I am a very poor trainer in fact the only thing I ever teach one is what not to do, they have to be born with the instincts of what to do, if I was able to teach one to do something with any efficiency I would not expect the dog to be able to reproduce that trait.
I have had the good fortune to have known and been affiliated with a couple or three top breeders of much notoriety in a couple of different breeds and the thing they all had in common were-seeing the truth about their dog, never begged one to function or made excuses for it, didn't wait long on the decision and would without hesitation dispose of one that wasn't making the cut. Those guys raised dogs that a high percentage of pups made good dogs that started reasonably early, in fact the biggest problem with that kind of pup is keeping them from doing something rather than getting them to do something.
  A very famous breeder once told me bear dogs were the easiest working dogs to breed, I asked what do you mean, his response was that those with more guts than brains the bears kill, those that quit or don't finish races I kill that only leaves me the good ones to breed. That really simplified things in my mind and rings very true much like the coyotes hahaha.

Mr. Clue you summarized in the fewest words as I’ve seen what most people spend a great amount of time researching or writing books and articles about, and if there’s anyone wanting to undertake the task of breeding their own dogs then they should print your post and hang it on their fridge, it’s pretty fool proof and I agree with 99.9 % BUT there’s that 1/100th of a percent I’ll have to respectfully disagree with. Do those things make a significant difference in the dogs we produce, nope, but it does make enough of a difference that can be seen if your looking for it but a person has to know the history and special quirks about their family of dogs to be able to know if there was any type of difference, however I do believe it doesn’t make a big enough difference to fool ourselves into thinking it’s really going change the outcome of what’s already in a dogs genes...


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[The Old Man]

Goose I didn't say anywhere that those things didn't make "any" difference, just that the selection and culling were "far and above" better tools than  all the other stuff. And let me clarify about my earlier post where I mentioned your proposed 3 breed 4 strain crosses-I did not mean they would be culls just that the even mix you hoped for by combining them would be hard to get consistently, many of them would lean more to one of the 4 strains or one of the 2 crosses. Most likely whichever one was the more prepotent genetically. And though I appreciate the respect intended there is no need for a Mr. in front of my name just plain OL'Clue will do.

[The Old Man]

When we line breed we generally breed towards one dog "or" one cross that we consider to have been exceptional. A couple of crosses that have worked better for me are if it is one dog I want to line up on is a half brother sister cross with the common parent being the one you are lining up on, then if you can breed one from that litter to an aunt or uncle by the same individual originally intended of course the other half of each one used should be of good quality and even in the same family.
 If breeding towards a specific cross I have had luck with uncles and aunts bred to nieces or nephews then breed one of those pups back to one of the original littermates making a grand uncle or aunt to grand nephew or niece, getting as many of the original littermates in the ped as possible. If you make an outcross that pleased you "whether it was another breed or another strain within the breed" breed those pups back into their respective strains and evaluate the 3/4 blood pups that will give you an idea which side of the outcross was actually doing you the most good.
I'm not telling anyone how to do things at their house but it has helped me at mine.

[The Old Man]

I believe I have been posting on here more than is necessary lately I think I'll just troll and read for a while haha.

[Mike]

Keep posting Clue... I’m one of those breeding towards one dog. Five generations down with pretty good results so far... but I like to read and learn as much as possible.


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[Reuben]

Old man...you have lots of experience and knowledge...you should share more for us to learn...especially for the younger generation...no since in them reinventing the wheel starting down towards the bottom where most of us started...but those that really want to learn can just get on the net and read and use what they want or need...I like it when the young guys can tell me how it is done...it just means they are the new up and coming generation of dog men and women...

And Reuben before you step on your own soap box again and want to strereotype the “younger generation” which I’m “theorizing” is in reference to myself being as I’m 30 and the youngest one to take part in this discussion, make sure your not standing up there holding a pot while calling a kettle black, based off your “observations”, just because someone is younger than you doesn’t mean they don’t or can’t understand a particular topic better than you, not at all saying that in this case that I’m in any way smarter or have a better understanding of anything than you contrary to what you assume, and I can assure you most of what I know about dogs and genetics in general didn’t come from the net, I have no need or desire to brag on myself or list my credentials, but will give you a little background on it and I promise they didn’t come from telling engineers at a chemical plant how ignorant they are, or a buddy of mine bragging on me in a bar room, or running wild through the woods as a youngster whooping with my dogs to become one of them, instead most of it comes from life experiences of actually living around breeding performance bred animals since birth, mainly from
growing up on chicken farm around game fowl and dogs, successfully raising and breeding my own cattle, a little from college, some from my personal collection of books and even some from the net, most of it from getting things wrong the first time around, and being as I’m younger than you, you have no worries of me “telling you how to do it” I’m not that type of individual, there’s two types of people in life when it comes to learning something, those that can sit there and tell you how to do something and those that can show you how to do something, you and I have a lot in common when it comes to unconventional ways of thinking but where our differences are, you fall into the category of those that can tell someone how to do it or what they once did and I’m of the sort to show someone how I’m doing it, don’t take this personal but for nearly 8 years you’ve posted time after time about
How to breed better dogs but yet where are the “better dogs” you’ve bred, not talking about the 7 generations of Mt. Cur you claimed to have bred years ago, we can all talk about what once was and that’s the easy part but we’re talking about what is in the here and now, actually having the hide in your hand, 8 years is plenty enough time to already be a generation or 3 deep even if starting from scratch, and as far as “reinventing the wheel” that’s as far off as it could be and being enthused about history almost as much as I am science, I’m pretty sure the first wheel man kind developed was made of stone, then someone realized a wooden wheel worked better for them, then along comes someone else who believed that a wooden wheel surrounded by a steel ring  better suited their needs, pretty sure you get the gist, so in actuality there’s no one reinventing a wheel at all, of course all of the above is based off of “theory” as well, I’ve seen you tell folks on here that they don’t know how to breed dogs but yet those same individuals you’ve said that to actually frequently make post and share with us the litters and dogs THEY have raised and the game those dogs catch, evidently they didn’t listen to your assumptions about them judging on them actually having their own hides in their own hands, I enjoy reading your post and what you contribute but find it hard to take someone serious who is only talking about it and not actually producing anything, I mean no ill intent with this or criticizing you in any way and have some respect for you and your knowledge of dogs but am just being honest with what I’m “observing and theorizing”...


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Goose...l never insinuated or talked down to you...however...I can’t say you haven’t tried to “respectfully tell me how wrong I am or that I am delusional...I am entitled to my opinion as you are with yours...and yes the mt curs I bred and raised I do talk about because it was a learning experience and a few mistakes were made but not many...it was hard work and was expensive but I am glad I did it...

The dogs I have now are not bad...they cast or rig...I don’t road them on account I can rig them...they cast and strike quickly or go as far as needed to find one and they can stick for hours if needed...I don’t use catch dogs at this time...yes I lose boars at times because I don’t use catch dogs...I have said I wasn’t in it to have a great breeding program where my priorities were to breed a top line in a few short years as I have done with the mt curs in the past...I don’t speak much about the dogs I have now because while they are pretty good dogs the breeding isn’t where I need it to be at this time...but there is a plan in place...I know what my next  two breedings are for sure and I have an idea what I will be breeding in the future...

A great dog to me has to be great in the woods and in the breeding pen...I can’t really say that about my dogs at this time...when I look at my dogs I want to be able to see a dog I like and a dog useful for breeding if needed however just because they can be used for breeding it is very possible they won’t on account there is another that I see is a slightly better dog...I don’t need to experiment much on account I have already done it before...

And goose...you don’t let up...you like to reference what I say and then say how wrong I am or as I mentioned insinuate...I knew when you started posting on here I knew where you were headed and I was right...but I am ok with it...I didn’t know you were thirty...you are wiser beyond your years and I do respect your knowledge...my goal is to help the younger guys that need help in breeding better dogs...it really is very simple once we get it...

If I am irritating you in any way please call me at+19792398513 and we can resolve our differences in a mature and grown up manner...

[Goose87]

Goose I didn't say anywhere that those things didn't make "any" difference, just that the selection and culling were "far and above" better tools than  all the other stuff. And let me clarify about my earlier post where I mentioned your proposed 3 breed 4 strain crosses-I did not mean they would be culls just that the even mix you hoped for by combining them would be hard to get consistently, many of them would lean more to one of the 4 strains or one of the 2 crosses. Most likely whichever one was the more prepotent genetically. And though I appreciate the respect intended there is no need for a Mr. in front of my name just plain OL'Clue will do.

Nothing more than a misinterpretation of the way I read it, I didn’t take it like your were saying anything would be culls in any way, I completely understand what you mean by the many mixed variables, Its hard for me to translates thoughts into text  but I anticipate on there being a mixed bag of the two sides in each of the two crosses and understand the fact that some are going to lean more to one side than the other in the f1 litters and the ones after that, the parents for the f1s can or could each catch game right by themselves and look good doing it but some each have their strengths in certain traits, I don’t have a picture in my head of this ideal dog or certain type of individual I’m breeding for but am trying to build a family of dogs that can consistently catch game and consistently reproduce more dogs that can consistently catch game, and just chose to step back a little further to do it than most, I understand that there’s going to be differences in type of litter maters , I don’t plan on deviating outside of either of the two crosses anytime soon if at all if I have or want to, the dogs contributing to the biggest majority of the gene pool are and were dogs of good caliber both in the bushes and brood box for generations my plans are to do just as your bear hunting friend said to do it, let Mother Nature take it’s course on the ones with more Braun than brain and I’ll take care of the ones that ain’t got the gumption or go, I’ll have to keep an eye on which side is the most prepotent and if there’s a certain side they’re pulling to, I’ve already done a test to see how prepotent the cat strain walker blood is, I took my male of my first f1 cross that is a little over two and is a really nice dog in the woods and can hold his own with different company and bred him to a female of a good friends that is as scatterbred as it
can get, and is 9 generations of nothing
but hogs dogs to hog dogs, all the pups  went to guys that will hunt them hard and do what is necessary if they don’t meet the grade, I’ll know in about a year if the blood is strong in this f2 cross...


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[Goose87]

Keep posting Clue... I’m one of those breeding towards one dog. Five generations down with pretty good results so far... but I like to read and learn as much as possible.


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Amen, I trolled on this post for a week hoping someone such as yourself would contribute...


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[Goose87]

Old man...you have lots of experience and knowledge...you should share more for us to learn...especially for the younger generation...no since in them reinventing the wheel starting down towards the bottom where most of us started...but those that really want to learn can just get on the net and read and use what they want or need...I like it when the young guys can tell me how it is done...it just means they are the new up and coming generation of dog men and women...

And Reuben before you step on your own soap box again and want to strereotype the “younger generation” which I’m “theorizing” is in reference to myself being as I’m 30 and the youngest one to take part in this discussion, make sure your not standing up there holding a pot while calling a kettle black, based off your “observations”, just because someone is younger than you doesn’t mean they don’t or can’t understand a particular topic better than you, not at all saying that in this case that I’m in any way smarter or have a better understanding of anything than you contrary to what you assume, and I can assure you most of what I know about dogs and genetics in general didn’t come from the net, I have no need or desire to brag on myself or list my credentials, but will give you a little background on it and I promise they didn’t come from telling engineers at a chemical plant how ignorant they are, or a buddy of mine bragging on me in a bar room, or running wild through the woods as a youngster whooping with my dogs to become one of them, instead most of it comes from life experiences of actually living around breeding performance bred animals since birth, mainly from
growing up on chicken farm around game fowl and dogs, successfully raising and breeding my own cattle, a little from college, some from my personal collection of books and even some from the net, most of it from getting things wrong the first time around, and being as I’m younger than you, you have no worries of me “telling you how to do it” I’m not that type of individual, there’s two types of people in life when it comes to learning something, those that can sit there and tell you how to do something and those that can show you how to do something, you and I have a lot in common when it comes to unconventional ways of thinking but where our differences are, you fall into the category of those that can tell someone how to do it or what they once did and I’m of the sort to show someone how I’m doing it, don’t take this personal but for nearly 8 years you’ve posted time after time about
How to breed better dogs but yet where are the “better dogs” you’ve bred, not talking about the 7 generations of Mt. Cur you claimed to have bred years ago, we can all talk about what once was and that’s the easy part but we’re talking about what is in the here and now, actually having the hide in your hand, 8 years is plenty enough time to already be a generation or 3 deep even if starting from scratch, and as far as “reinventing the wheel” that’s as far off as it could be and being enthused about history almost as much as I am science, I’m pretty sure the first wheel man kind developed was made of stone, then someone realized a wooden wheel worked better for them, then along comes someone else who believed that a wooden wheel surrounded by a steel ring  better suited their needs, pretty sure you get the gist, so in actuality there’s no one reinventing a wheel at all, of course all of the above is based off of “theory” as well, I’ve seen you tell folks on here that they don’t know how to breed dogs but yet those same individuals you’ve said that to actually frequently make post and share with us the litters and dogs THEY have raised and the game those dogs catch, evidently they didn’t listen to your assumptions about them judging on them actually having their own hides in their own hands, I enjoy reading your post and what you contribute but find it hard to take someone serious who is only talking about it and not actually producing anything, I mean no ill intent with this or criticizing you in any way and have some respect for you and your knowledge of dogs but am just being honest with what I’m “observing and theorizing”...


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Goose...l never insinuated or talked down to you...however...I can’t say you haven’t tried to “respectfully tell me how wrong I am or that I am delusional...I am entitled to my opinion as you are with yours...and yes the mt curs I bred and raised I do talk about because it was a learning experience and a few mistakes were made but not many...it was hard work and was expensive but I am glad I did it...

The dogs I have now are not bad...they cast or rig...I don’t road them on account I can rig them...they cast and strike quickly or go as far as needed to find one and they can stick for hours if needed...I don’t use catch dogs at this time...yes I lose boars at times because I don’t use catch dogs...I have said I wasn’t in it to have a great breeding program where my priorities were to breed a top line in a few short years as I have done with the mt curs in the past...I don’t speak much about the dogs I have now because while they are pretty good dogs the breeding isn’t where I need it to be at this time...but there is a plan in place...I know what my next  two breedings are for sure and I have an idea what I will be breeding in the future...

A great dog to me has to be great in the woods and in the breeding pen...I can’t really say that about my dogs at this time...when I look at my dogs I want to be able to see a dog I like and a dog useful for breeding if needed however just because they can be used for breeding it is very possible they won’t on account there is another that I see is a slightly better dog...I don’t need to experiment much on account I have already done it before...

And goose...you don’t let up...you like to reference what I say and then say how wrong I am or as I mentioned insinuate...I knew when you started posting on here I knew where you were headed and I was right...but I am ok with it...I didn’t know you were thirty...you are wiser beyond your years and I do respect your knowledge...my goal is to help the younger guys that need help in breeding better dogs...it really is very simple once we get it...

If I am irritating you in any way please call me at+19792398513 and we can resolve our differences in a mature and grown up manner...

Reuben none of what I have posted has been in any way a personal attack toward you or meant in any type of spiteful manner whatsoever, I don’t have a spiteful bone in my body, the way I’m come across may be brash because I’m blunt and upfront in my approach and I just get straight to the point when asking a question or calling things as I see it, to get an understanding of things, its not to be smart ass or poke at you, I always enjoy what you read and post and take you to be a man of good character although we may not agree on 100% of things 100% of the time, it doesn’t mean I think any less of you and as a matter of fact have great deal more respect for you as a dog man after your last reply, it takes an honest man to give an answer to a question like that the way you answered and your reasons, you will no doubt get there, I know exactly where your at in regards to your pack, I’ve had to rebuild a pack from scratch 3 different times on account of losing everything to old age or killed, the first two times I just rounded up and culled dogs that catch hogs the third time that s when I decided to just start breeding my own, you have an eye for it there’s no doubt, don’t let my blunt ways of communication come off as being an as$ hole, you’re in no way irritating me, I learned along time ago to stop letting things get under my skin and dang sure not going to get riled up over something said on an Internet forum...


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[Reuben]

Old man...you have lots of experience and knowledge...you should share more for us to learn...especially for the younger generation...no since in them reinventing the wheel starting down towards the bottom where most of us started...but those that really want to learn can just get on the net and read and use what they want or need...I like it when the young guys can tell me how it is done...it just means they are the new up and coming generation of dog men and women...

And Reuben before you step on your own soap box again and want to strereotype the “younger generation” which I’m “theorizing” is in reference to myself being as I’m 30 and the youngest one to take part in this discussion, make sure your not standing up there holding a pot while calling a kettle black, based off your “observations”, just because someone is younger than you doesn’t mean they don’t or can’t understand a particular topic better than you, not at all saying that in this case that I’m in any way smarter or have a better understanding of anything than you contrary to what you assume, and I can assure you most of what I know about dogs and genetics in general didn’t come from the net, I have no need or desire to brag on myself or list my credentials, but will give you a little background on it and I promise they didn’t come from telling engineers at a chemical plant how ignorant they are, or a buddy of mine bragging on me in a bar room, or running wild through the woods as a youngster whooping with my dogs to become one of them, instead most of it comes from life experiences of actually living around breeding performance bred animals since birth, mainly from
growing up on chicken farm around game fowl and dogs, successfully raising and breeding my own cattle, a little from college, some from my personal collection of books and even some from the net, most of it from getting things wrong the first time around, and being as I’m younger than you, you have no worries of me “telling you how to do it” I’m not that type of individual, there’s two types of people in life when it comes to learning something, those that can sit there and tell you how to do something and those that can show you how to do something, you and I have a lot in common when it comes to unconventional ways of thinking but where our differences are, you fall into the category of those that can tell someone how to do it or what they once did and I’m of the sort to show someone how I’m doing it, don’t take this personal but for nearly 8 years you’ve posted time after time about
How to breed better dogs but yet where are the “better dogs” you’ve bred, not talking about the 7 generations of Mt. Cur you claimed to have bred years ago, we can all talk about what once was and that’s the easy part but we’re talking about what is in the here and now, actually having the hide in your hand, 8 years is plenty enough time to already be a generation or 3 deep even if starting from scratch, and as far as “reinventing the wheel” that’s as far off as it could be and being enthused about history almost as much as I am science, I’m pretty sure the first wheel man kind developed was made of stone, then someone realized a wooden wheel worked better for them, then along comes someone else who believed that a wooden wheel surrounded by a steel ring  better suited their needs, pretty sure you get the gist, so in actuality there’s no one reinventing a wheel at all, of course all of the above is based off of “theory” as well, I’ve seen you tell folks on here that they don’t know how to breed dogs but yet those same individuals you’ve said that to actually frequently make post and share with us the litters and dogs THEY have raised and the game those dogs catch, evidently they didn’t listen to your assumptions about them judging on them actually having their own hides in their own hands, I enjoy reading your post and what you contribute but find it hard to take someone serious who is only talking about it and not actually producing anything, I mean no ill intent with this or criticizing you in any way and have some respect for you and your knowledge of dogs but am just being honest with what I’m “observing and theorizing”...


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Goose...l never insinuated or talked down to you...however...I can’t say you haven’t tried to “respectfully tell me how wrong I am or that I am delusional...I am entitled to my opinion as you are with yours...and yes the mt curs I bred and raised I do talk about because it was a learning experience and a few mistakes were made but not many...it was hard work and was expensive but I am glad I did it...

The dogs I have now are not bad...they cast or rig...I don’t road them on account I can rig them...they cast and strike quickly or go as far as needed to find one and they can stick for hours if needed...I don’t use catch dogs at this time...yes I lose boars at times because I don’t use catch dogs...I have said I wasn’t in it to have a great breeding program where my priorities were to breed a top line in a few short years as I have done with the mt curs in the past...I don’t speak much about the dogs I have now because while they are pretty good dogs the breeding isn’t where I need it to be at this time...but there is a plan in place...I know what my next  two breedings are for sure and I have an idea what I will be breeding in the future...

A great dog to me has to be great in the woods and in the breeding pen...I can’t really say that about my dogs at this time...when I look at my dogs I want to be able to see a dog I like and a dog useful for breeding if needed however just because they can be used for breeding it is very possible they won’t on account there is another that I see is a slightly better dog...I don’t need to experiment much on account I have already done it before...

And goose...you don’t let up...you like to reference what I say and then say how wrong I am or as I mentioned insinuate...I knew when you started posting on here I knew where you were headed and I was right...but I am ok with it...I didn’t know you were thirty...you are wiser beyond your years and I do respect your knowledge...my goal is to help the younger guys that need help in breeding better dogs...it really is very simple once we get it...

If I am irritating you in any way please call me at+19792398513 and we can resolve our differences in a mature and grown up manner...

Reuben none of what I have posted has been in any way a personal attack toward you or meant in any type of spiteful manner whatsoever, I don’t have a spiteful bone in my body, the way I’m come across may be brash because I’m blunt and upfront in my approach and I just get straight to the point when asking a question or calling things as I see it, to get an understanding of things, its not to be smart ass or poke at you, I always enjoy what you read and post and take you to be a man of good character although we may not agree on 100% of things 100% of the time, it doesn’t mean I think any less of you and as a matter of fact have great deal more respect for you as a dog man after your last reply, it takes an honest man to give an answer to a question like that the way you answered and your reasons, you will no doubt get there, I know exactly where your at in regards to your pack, I’ve had to rebuild a pack from scratch 3 different times on account of losing everything to old age or killed, the first two times I just rounded up and culled dogs that catch hogs the third time that s when I decided to just start breeding my own, you have an eye for it there’s no doubt, don’t let my blunt ways of communication come off as being an as$ hole, you’re in no way irritating me, I learned along time ago to stop letting things get under my skin and dang sure not going to get riled up over something said on an Internet forum...


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thanks for your reply and explanation...

[jdt]

ther are some on here that have forgot more than the rest of us will ever know .....




    i wish they would keep posting 

[heat]

I wish it were as easy as mixing paint.  Black and white make gray.  Dogs don't always come out gray

[WayOutWest]

I would just like to comment that it is good to see that 2 men can have strong differences of opinion and still remain civil. My hat is off to all involved in this discussion. There are no set in stone one way to do it rules. We all have to make our way thru the dogman world learning as we go. Thank you to all who take the time to post your observations and knowledge. Just my 2 cents.  

[Austesus]

As one of the young guys (I’m only 21) I appreciate what you experienced men post. I have been blessed to been taken under the wing of a man with 30+ years of hunting experience, and have gotten several dogs from him that have had a lot of time/thought put in to them and I eventually want to breed them to tweak them a little bit. So all of the knowledge you guys post is really appreciated.


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[parker49]

 ain't nobody got it figured out and probably wont .......  culling  doesn't further a  line  of dogs ......its  knowing the dogs  you have  inside  and out with several years  of  breeding and raising the same  dogs  you will get a feel  for  what  you need  to do  to further  what you want ...